Re: Chase - how long ban? : Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:04 am  

What i want to know why a few weeks earlier a hunslet old boys player was given a 5 match ban for pretty much the same type of challenge which resulted in a facial injury and chase was only given 3? Is it because hes a super league player and current england star? Also imo both players should have been given longer bans. http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3491

What i want to know why a few weeks earlier a hunslet old boys player was given a 5 match ban for pretty much the same type of challenge which resulted in a facial injury and chase was only given 3? Is it because hes a super league player and current england star? Also imo both players should have been given longer bans. http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3491

Re: Chase - how long ban? : Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:12 am  

Cridling stubb xii member wrote:

What message are the Rugby League sending out to all the parents of Children playing the game ------your sons and daughters can get maimed in our sports and we will only punish the offender with 3 weeks not playing .......absoulte disgrace.

I personally wont encourage any of the children in my family to take up the sport if this is how they treat and punish the victim and the perputrator

This is a very good point. Both my lads play, and tbh it's a worry - and it's more of a worry the older they get. When my 13 yr old plays now I find myself closing my eyes more and more. The kids are taught a lot of respect at junior level, but what a contradiction eh at Pro level.

[Kosh]

Re: Chase - how long ban? : Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:14 am  

Rock God X wrote:

I wonder how many matches Chase would have received for his assault if his victim had been Sam Tomkins.

More relevantly, I wonder how many he would have received had he not been in contention for an England spot...

Re: Chase - how long ban? : Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:15 am  

Mr Neutral wrote: What i want to know why a few weeks earlier a hunslet old boys player was given a 5 match ban for pretty much the same type of challenge which resulted in a facial injury and chase was only given 3? Is it because hes a super league player and current england star? Also imo both players should have been given longer bans. http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3491 In short yes... I know a bloke in amateur who got 6 months for pretty much the same tackle.

Mr Neutral wrote: What i want to know why a few weeks earlier a hunslet old boys player was given a 5 match ban for pretty much the same type of challenge which resulted in a facial injury and chase was only given 3? Is it because hes a super league player and current england star? Also imo both players should have been given longer bans. http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3491 In short yes... I know a bloke in amateur who got 6 months for pretty much the same tackle.

Re: Chase - how long ban? : Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:16 am  

Towns88 wrote:

For those that are saying "chase should be out for as long as Tangi is out for" well let's say Chase put the very same hit on someone and that someone's jaw didn't break and he was ok to play next week, would that make it ok for Chase not to be banned?


End of the day, 3 match ban let's move on. It's a nice script set for the magic weekend for the badman Chase to return and do what he does best against a team who he often tears apart.

Chase, chase will tear you apart again.

He won't if someone puts a RECKLESS challenge on him. Lets see all the Cas apologists turn up then.

Re: Chase - how long ban? : Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:17 am  

IMO the RFL have acted a bit like the CPS in criminal cases here. They've gone for the highest available grading that they think they can prove conclusively from the evidence they've got.

They could have tried to prove it was deliberate, which is difficult without being inside the head of the player at the time. They could have tried to prove it was with the elbow rather than the forearm, but did they have sufficient video evidence to do that (aren't all offences judged by the DVDs provided by the clubs, in order to ensure that TV games don't get treated unfairly?).

Rather than going with a prosecution for murder, they've taken the manslaughter route because it's easier to prove.

You do wonder why Newton's hit on Long got him 7 games though and this was only deemed worthy of 3.

Re: Chase - how long ban? : Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:18 am  

Mr Neutral wrote: What i want to know why a few weeks earlier a hunslet old boys player was given a 5 match ban for pretty much the same type of challenge which resulted in a facial injury and chase was only given 3? Is it because hes a super league player and current england star? Also imo both players should have been given longer bans. http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3491 It's because the RFL deemed the first offence to be intentional, but (despite IMO some pretty damning video evidence) deemed Chase's tackle to be merely 'reckless'. Like I said earlier, they and some of the more vocal Cas partisans appear to virtually the only people to believe that there was no intent. I can understand lower league fans' frustrations here. It must look pretty conspiratorial to some.

Mr Neutral wrote: What i want to know why a few weeks earlier a hunslet old boys player was given a 5 match ban for pretty much the same type of challenge which resulted in a facial injury and chase was only given 3? Is it because hes a super league player and current england star? Also imo both players should have been given longer bans. http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3491 It's because the RFL deemed the first offence to be intentional, but (despite IMO some pretty damning video evidence) deemed Chase's tackle to be merely 'reckless'. Like I said earlier, they and some of the more vocal Cas partisans appear to virtually the only people to believe that there was no intent. I can understand lower league fans' frustrations here. It must look pretty conspiratorial to some.

Re: Chase - how long ban? : Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:06 am  

Gronk! wrote:

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Also, how sad of you to go through that many posts.

Er, you search your posts with the keyword "ban". It takes about 5 microseconds. Your grasp of technology may, I concede, be on a par with your grasp of libel law.

Gronk! wrote:

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Why would I do work for free when I could just wait for someone to come up with an actual claim and get my fees for it?

Because you would have a long wait?

Re: Chase - how long ban? : Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:14 am  

The report is up.http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3553 Millward & Chase actually tried to convince them it was only "careless" rather than "reckless". The committee have viewed the incident carefully and are satisfied that contact from the player was with the shoulder, which the player has admitted already and that made contact with his opponent’s head. The committee give the player credit for pleading guilty however they do not believe in this instance that the tackle was careless but indeed reckless. The opponent has sustained a serious injury which has been noted from his club and the committee view this incident very seriously and have indeed thought about going outside the Match Review Panel’s recommended guidelines for a Grade C offence. The player does not have a great record and the committee feel that a 3 match suspension and a £300 fine is appropriate. They considered going outside guidelines.... Whoop de doo

The report is up.http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3553 Millward & Chase actually tried to convince them it was only "careless" rather than "reckless". The committee have viewed the incident carefully and are satisfied that contact from the player was with the shoulder, which the player has admitted already and that made contact with his opponent’s head. The committee give the player credit for pleading guilty however they do not believe in this instance that the tackle was careless but indeed reckless. The opponent has sustained a serious injury which has been noted from his club and the committee view this incident very seriously and have indeed thought about going outside the Match Review Panel’s recommended guidelines for a Grade C offence. The player does not have a great record and the committee feel that a 3 match suspension and a £300 fine is appropriate. They considered going outside guidelines.... Whoop de doo

Re: Chase - how long ban? : Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:41 am  

I don't believe there was intent, and I have no reason to stick up for Cas/Chase. I believe it was reckless. Chase went for a shot with the shoulder and got over excited. Intent would have been to be purposely aiming at his head, and I just don't believe he was trying to do that.

However, the raising of the elbow is what annoys me about the lenience of the ban. The swing made the challenge more reckless and seems to have been ignored completely.

As for the cynics who think that Chase's international status has anything to do with his lenient punishment, anyone care to check who played hooker for GB in 2004...