Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:22 am  

RLBandit wrote:

The question of the appropriate time window over which to assess how things are going is a good one. Clearly comparing one week to the next is too short for useful info, but then I'm not sure of the useful value of comparing with the start of SL either ( its interesting, but not practically useful). I mean, sure, we can say its better or worse than year X ( take anything between 1895 and 2012) but really all that matters is "how are we doing now?, are we doing the right things to make sure the curve is in the right direction? Are we doing any wrong things that are holding back growth?" People call this pessismism, I don't know why, but my attitude to it is: if attendences seem, on reasonable evidence, to be drifting a bit lower, we should be on it in a flash to get it fixed, and if they're higher, we should be asking what we need to do to make them even higher - including of course identifying those positive factors which are working and seeing if they can be further enhanced.

In other words, the exact opposite attitude to that of: making excuses for falls, and resting-on-laurels when things rise. Its not pessimism, its wanting the game to be the best it can be.

Exactly my point when posting the Championship averages for this year, the question is , are the figures acceptable today, not wether they are better or worse than the past, and also are they the best we can achieve, if they are not, then why not, and what can be done to improve them

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:11 pm  

UPDATE...

London V Hull KR in 2013 = 1,837
London V Hull KR in 2012 = 2,525
Percentage decrease in attendance = -27.25%

29 out of 40 SL fixtures in 2013 have now registered a fall in attendance compared to the same fixtures between the same teams last year.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:56 pm  

William Eve wrote: Hull FC's attendance no doubt artificially boosted by their bring a friend for a FIVER offer. or you could say well done to the club for making an effort to sell tickets for a game against a poor superleague team on a dark freezing cold friday evening, and getting their reward with an increased attendance

William Eve wrote: Hull FC's attendance no doubt artificially boosted by their bring a friend for a FIVER offer. or you could say well done to the club for making an effort to sell tickets for a game against a poor superleague team on a dark freezing cold friday evening, and getting their reward with an increased attendance

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:58 pm  

William Eve wrote:

UPDATE...

London V Hull KR in 2013 = 1,837
London V Hull KR in 2012 = 2,525
Percentage decrease in attendance = -27.25%

29 out of 40 SL fixtures in 2013 have now registered a fall in attendance compared to the same fixtures between the same teams last year.

1812 home fans there tonight though. Hardly their fault if no one from east hull turns up

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:00 pm  

the artist wrote:

or you could say well done to the club for making an effort to sell tickets for a game against a poor superleague team on a dark freezing cold friday evening, and getting their reward with an increased attendance

If they are going to do an offer like this they really have to promote it more and get into school and see it advertised all over the city and aim for a 15k+ gate. I know wigan do it really well one game a year. If they only do it half arsed Hull could end up actually losing money.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:05 pm  

SL Round 6 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year

Hull V Castleford in 2013 = 11,852
Hull V Castleford in 2012 = 11,607
% increase in attendance = +2.11%

Leeds V Huddersfield in 2013 = 15,013
Leeds V Huddersfield in 2012 = 15,408
% decrease in attendance = -2.56%

Warrington V St Helens in 2013 = 13,381
Warrington V St Helens in 2012 = 15,000
% decrease in attendance = -10.79%

Widnes V Bradford in 2013 = 5,861
Widnes V Bradford in 2012 = 5,687
% increase in attendance = +3.06%

Wigan V Catalan in 2013 = 12,149
Wigan V Catalan in 2012 = 14,464
% decrease in attendance = -16.01%

London V Hull KR in 2013 = 1,837
London V Hull KR in 2012 = 2,525
% decrease in attendance = -27.25%

Wakefield V Salford in 2013 = 6,986
Wakefield V Salford in 2012 = 6,748
% increase in attendance = +3.53%

Total Attendance in SL Round 6 = 67,079
Total Attendance same fixtures last year = 71,439
Percentage drop in attendance = -6.10%

4 fixtures out of 7 in Round 6 this year have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year.

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Out of 41 SL fixtures played thus far in 2013, 12 out of 41 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixture last year. 29 out of 41 fixtures have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixture last year.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:08 pm  

Round 1 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2013 = 64,387 (Avg: 9,198)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 63,376 (Avg: 9,054)
% increase = +1.59%

Round 2 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2013 = 69,809 (Avg: 9,973)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,989 (Avg: 10,284)
% decrease = -3.03%

Round 3 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2013 = 58,711 (Avg: 8,387)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,246 (Avg: 10,178)
% decrease = -17.59%

Round 4 Fixtures (6 in total)
Total attendance in 2013 = 46,166 (Avg: 7,694)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 55,477 (Avg: 9,246)
% decrease = -16.78%

Round 5 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2013 = 50,207 (Avg: 7,172)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 57,593 (Avg: 8,228)
% decrease = -12.82%

Round 6 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2013 = 67,079 (Avg: 9,583)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,439 (Avg: 10,206)
% decrease = -6.10%

Rounds 1 to 6 Fixtures (41 in total)
Total attendance for 41 fixtures in 2013 = 356,359 (Avg: 8,692)
Total attendance for same 41 fixtures in 2012 = 391,120 (Avg: 9,540)
% decrease = -8.89%

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:28 pm  

William Eve wrote:

SL Round 6 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year

Wakefield V Salford in 2013 = 6,986
Wakefield V Salford in 2012 = 6,748
% increase in attendance = -27.25%

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I'm not Stephen Hawking but I make that an increase on 2013 of 238 which is + 3.7% increase on last seasons attendance .

Maybe if you went to a game or two each round instead of battering us with your Phil Clarke-esque statistical montony it would knocked up your averages up by now a point or two ?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:00 pm  

middleman wrote:

W.E.

I'm not Stephen Hawking but I make that an increase on 2013 of 238 which is + 3.7% increase on last seasons attendance

+3.53% actually.

middleman wrote:

Maybe if you went to a game or two each round instead of battering us with your Phil Clarke-esque statistical montony it would knocked up your averages up by now a point or two ?

My apologies... I copied and pasted the wrong % figure from the London V Hull KR fixture by mistake.

I used to attend regularly but since regular round SL fixtures were rendered meaningless in the rush to reward SL mediocrity, I rarely bother attending these days.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:08 pm  

The average attendance this week in the "worth winning in it's own right feeder club Championship" was 7,822/7 = 1,117