Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 7:13 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

If it's not about producing players they're looking at the wrong things. That's the whole point of academies.

It's also about player development in an educational sense and the impact the academies have on their local community game, if you're taking 50 youngsters out of the community game in the hope 2 of them become Super league players then that is detrimental to the community game. I would imagine those with elite status produce top class education and care to a fewer amount of players who are all fairly decent prospects.

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 7:21 pm  

Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:

:roll: as opposed to Huddersfield who’ve given us Jermaine McGillvary and.. ...erm that’s it in the last decade. Or Wakefield who gave us Josh Griffin and that’s it since Gareth Ellis 20 years ago

You're either very bitter or very out of touch, look at both clubs squads and then maybe you'd like to correct yourself.


In fact, nah, you are just very bitter

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 7:30 pm  

Tigerade wrote:

Seems strange how West Yorkshire’s top SL side haven’t been awarded one whilst strugglers Wakey, Leeds and Hudds have.

Well TBF Cas used to produce many home grown players of immense talent at times.....

Watts, Holmes Clare and Eden seem to be the only Cas products in the Cas squad.

I do recall someone lamenting at Cas (a previous CEO) that the days of the conveyor belt of star Cas players was slowing right down.

Cas are a great club don't get me wrong, I'm not having a go, but Cas were hardly a "top side" until Darryl Powell came along and AFAIK he's a Wakey lad?

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 7:31 pm  

Alan Cargill wrote:

You're either very bitter or very out of touch, look at both clubs squads and then maybe you'd like to correct yourself.


In fact, nah, you are just very bitter

No I was talking about the England train on squad. I thought that was obvious.

From Huddersfield’s academy - Jermaine McGillvary.
From Wakefield’s academy - Josh Griffin and Tom Johnstone (injured)

In response to a comment claiming the clubs excluded haven’t produced England players for a decade.

...and before you ask Tom Burgess, John Bateman and Elliot Whitehead in the current train on squad.

Yes I am bitter because my club have been stiffed by a short sighted decision that will ultimately reduce the player talent pool for the sport further doing more long term damage than the savings to a few super league Chairmen. I’m extremely bitter

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 7:38 pm  

Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:

It beggars belief that Bradford haven't been chosen. Especially as there are 2 licence places left that they've decided not to award.

With all due respect to Huddersfield and Wakefield they are as many players in the England elite train on squad that came through their academies combined as there are from Bradford's academy and we've not been in Super duper league for years.

Consistently producing high standard players that go on to rep honours, Super league and NRL success including GB/England Captains in recent years.

Do they think your next John Bateman or Elliot Whitehead are going to traipse up to Newcastle?

The same thinking behind this decision is what's causing crowds to drop, the standard of play in Super duper league to drop and TV audiences/revenue to drop.

Oh come on with all due respect that is rubbish.

Those players you mention come from an era when Bradford were splashing cash they did not have. All those players would have found there way in the game through another Academy. I know Trinity were desperate to sign Bateman as a youth so he wasn’t short of offers.

I see no reason why they didn’t give Bradford the nod but you are guilding the lily big time.

Wakefield by the way just thrashed your under 17’s so with respect you’re not that good anymore, sorry.

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 7:41 pm  

vastman wrote:

Oh come on with all due respect that is rubbish.

Those players you mention come from an era when Bradford were splashing cash they did not have. All those players would have found there way in the game through another Academy. I know Trinity were desperate to sign Bateman as a youth so he wasn’t short of offers.

I see no reason why they didn’t give Bradford the not but you are building the lily big time.

Wakefield by the way just thrashed your under 17’s so with respect you’re not that good anymore, sorry.

I thought the sport required all SL clubs to have an academy.

How things suddenly change.

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 7:45 pm  

Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:

:roll: as opposed to Huddersfield who’ve given us Jermaine McGillvary and.. ...erm that’s it in the last decade. Or Wakefield who gave us Josh Griffin and that’s it since Gareth Ellis 20 years ago

So no Tom Johnstone then.

Or Ben Westwood or Danny Brough,

There are a fair few others who started at Wakefield but I just can’t be bothered.

Then of course there is the list of Wakefield based players but that list would just be enormous, Stanley Rangers alone has produced more players than some pro clubs.

Get a grip.

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 7:51 pm  

atomic wrote:

I thought the sport required all SL clubs to have an academy.

How things suddenly change.

They haven’t, Salford opted out a few years ago, it’s not been required for a while but this time it’s been enforced rightly or wrongly.

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 7:52 pm  

vastman wrote:

splashing cash they did not have.

Possibly a reason behind it.

Maybe the financial assurances from some clubs wasn't there??

I don't know the reasons, but I'm sure we will find out in due course.

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 7:53 pm  

Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:

No I was talking about the England train on squad. I thought that was obvious.

From Huddersfield’s academy - Jermaine McGillvary.
From Wakefield’s academy - Josh Griffin and Tom Johnstone (injured)

In response to a comment claiming the clubs excluded haven’t produced England players for a decade.

...and before you ask Tom Burgess, John Bateman and Elliot Whitehead in the current train on squad.

Yes I am bitter because my club have been stiffed by a short sighted decision that will ultimately reduce the player talent pool for the sport further doing more long term damage than the savings to a few super league Chairmen. I’m extremely bitter

Ah ok, so you're judging academies strength by how many players in the England squad have come through it? that wouldn't be because in your straw clutching world it's the one that helps you win the argument over Hudds and Wakey then? well that stat alone should have got them an elite licence, cos you produced 1 more England squad player than Wakefield and 2 more than huddersfield