Re: Could Sam Tomkins get an early mark for his return to Wi : Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:19 pm  

When he signed I said that he'd be back in two years with his tail between his legs, and I've seen nothing yet to change my mind. In his last season with Wigan he was looking increasingly ineffective as rival coaches cottoned on as to how to deal with him.

Re: Could Sam Tomkins get an early mark for his return to Wi : Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:28 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

None of them have been particularly great this year and none have been significantly better than Tomkins either

Try again!

What? There's a lot of Warriors fans out there who'd disagree.

Plenty of Warriors players have looked great this year. You're talking out of your ass.

Re: Could Sam Tomkins get an early mark for his return to Wi : Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:30 pm  

ChrisGS wrote:

What? There's a lot of Warriors fans out there who'd disagree.

Plenty of Warriors players have looked great this year. You're talking out of your ass.

In your opinion!

I beg to differ!

Re: Could Sam Tomkins get an early mark for his return to Wi : Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:41 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

No Capdouze, I'm not, your assertion re commentators is pure speculation and I wouldn't agree with them if they did. You're basing your whole argument on the ramblings of some hack journo that wouldn't recognise a good player if he stood right in front of her.

Hurrell started the season in very poor form and still isn't anywhere near at his best with only glimpses of his power running interspersed with average to poor decision making in attack and naivety in defence.

Your poster boy Matulino started well but has faded into his lazy habits again and hasn't impressed since the first couple of matches, one decent offload or drive every two or three games doesn't make you a superstar. NRL defences have worked Johnon out as well and he's not getting the freedom to use his agility and speed that he had in the last two seasons. His inability to dictate play and control a football team are one of the reasons the NZW are average at best.

You calling someone, anyone clueless is absolutely laughable.

You talk complete rubbish. Hurrell was never in very poor form. The only reason for his dropping and for fan support of said dropping is because Cappy was holding players to account on effort and KPIs. Something fans embraced because a lack of discipline has been a hot topic for the club for a long, long time. He was one of the Warriors most potent attacking threats when he was dropped - one of the comps form centres, even. So much so that the Aussie media and opposition fans assumed he was up for sale, that form wasn't the reason behind his stint in the reserves and there was something more going on.

Sad to say it but if Tomkins was held to the same standard he wouldn't be playing against the Panthers next week, he'd be dropped too.

Johnson has gone up a gear this year. No idea what you're talking about. Huge improvements on defence and has been helped in attack by Tomkins presence.

Re: Could Sam Tomkins get an early mark for his return to Wi : Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:45 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

In your opinion!

I beg to differ!

It's my opinion that a lot of Warriors fans have a view contrary to your own? Okay.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Re: Could Sam Tomkins get an early mark for his return to Wi : Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:03 pm  

ChrisGS wrote:

It's my opinion that a lot of Warriors fans have a view contrary to your own? Okay.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

That's just your opinion, don't try and recruit "a lot of Warriors fans" to validate what you think!

I think you're wrong!

Re: Could Sam Tomkins get an early mark for his return to Wi : Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:26 pm  

Yes. He is absolutely awful. We're sorry for inflicting him on you. Please send him back. I'm certain that no other SL club would want such an embarrassment. I reckon we could help out there.

Re: Could Sam Tomkins get an early mark for his return to Wi : Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:01 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

That's just your opinion, don't try and recruit "a lot of Warriors fans" to validate what you think!

I think you're wrong!

And you with your ratbag opinions of Matulino, Hurrell, Johnson et al are in a minority of one.

Re: Could Sam Tomkins get an early mark for his return to Wi : Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:13 pm  

JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:

Samuel Eli Tomkins has been a huge disappointment, according to Tony Smith's older brother, Brian, writing in Rugby League Week.

i just hope that they don't want a proper full back like zak hardaker to take his place and show him how it should be done

Re: Could Sam Tomkins get an early mark for his return to Wi : Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:24 pm  

A simple way of putting the whole Tompkins situation is that.

A.Super League is a LOT lower level to the NRL
B. Tomkins isn't Really a PROPER fullback, he's a halfback who's brilliant at running at defences while in space, he simply won't get that in the NRL as they are a level above.
c . Kevin Locke was a brilliant fullback for the warriors, and he has a lot to justify taking his place in the team, he's not doing himself any favours what so ever and a lot of the NZ and aussie press don't believe he's worthy of the full back spot.

basically if Locke hadn't had issues with the warriors Coach Tomkins would have been dropped by now, but the coach now has to stick to his guns to save face.

Saying that Sam could always come back to super dooper league play against far weaker teams and pretend he's one of the best in the world, but hey as long as he gets buy one get one free in revs in Wigan he's done good.