Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:10 am  

And London aren't.

Aren't what?

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:13 am  

Big Graeme wrote:

What money is this then?

Well we can argue all day as to whether London get backhanders or not but that's the problem with backhanders - hard to prove either way.

So what about 15 years of Sky money? Does this not count, could another club not have used it better? This is one of the big issues expansionists skirt around - have London justified getting a cut of this money for 15 years. This money is not London's by right or had you just assumed it was?

What about the expense of developing the game in London, some of which is RFL funded or is a percentage of the Sky money.

There are other smaller issues but let's move on.

I'm sure your opinion differs from mine as to whether this money has been rightly used to give London a franchise spot, but let's at least be honest. What can't be denied is more than any other team in SL depend on their Sky money without which they would simply fold never to return probably not even at NL2level. This at a club that never gained promotion on the field to the elite and never looked likely too.

If I could see any sign of London making it I'd back them but it's 30 years - I get your passion and understand your desire to make it work but in life some things are just not meant to be - how much longer before someone flicks the switch. I'm really torn over London emotionally because real people are involved and depend on the club one way or another but economically I find it much simpler.

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:15 am  

Hillsborough Lad wrote:

Sheffield aren't bust and will be applying for a SL franchise in 2015.

Seriously? Lots of work to get your crowds above the desired levels.

As for London, when i find out they are on Sky, it makes me want to rub chillis in my eyes. Let them go on their own, if they die they die.

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:22 am  

I think they missed a big opportunity by going back to the old London Broncos name and branding. To the outsiders who nothing of the sport or club, the London Broncos could be a group of wannabe cowboys who meet every Saturday in Twickenham! It didn't work before so why is it going to work now after they've just moved away from the rugby unionesque Harlequins RL? I think they should have been braver and gone with 'London Rugby League'. Keep it simple, let everyone know that it does exactly what it says on the tin.

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:25 am  

east stander wrote:

Aren't what?

Bust without Sky money and other SL revenues not available to Leigh - do you think Leigh would be bust with Sky money and SL gates. London could not do a Cas or HKR and survive in the lower leagues without continually folding like they did pre SL. All teams would struggle but most would continue to exist.

Accept the reality that London as they exist today are a sole creation of SL and Sky - whether you think that's a good think is a matter of opinion - then you use silly terms like utter tripe.

Oh and by the way I never said the M62 was the answer - I was suggesting logical organic growth outwards from the centre as happens in nature and tends to work - Sheffield then Nottingham then Hemel Hemstead then London. In military terms it means keeping your supply lines short.

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:33 am  

All it takes for London to succeed is a good coach which they haven't had since Tony Currie left. I'm tired of saying that but it's true.

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:33 am  

vastman wrote:

Bust without Sky money and other SL revenues not available to Leigh.

I know you have short memories up there but...

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:36 am  

London are propped up by a wealthy backer. Whilst he is there then there are no financial issues

We've had Sheffield. What has Nottingham got to offer? or does this have a strategic military supply site on your mythical route to Marchwood docks

I mentioned the M62 as the strategic sites you used are located close by, but to your credit (covertly) and to strengthen your weak argument you have now moved your supply lines down the M1.

What is your argument as you are a moving target this morning?

[Kosh]

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:43 am  

vastman wrote:

Bust without Sky money and other SL revenues not available to Leigh - do you think Leigh would be bust with Sky money and SL gates. London could not do a Cas or HKR and survive in the lower leagues without continually folding like they did pre SL. All teams would struggle but most would continue to exist.

London aren't bust because owner after owner has been prepared to fund them. If the current owner was prepared to do the same in the 'lower leagues' then they'd survive about as well as other teams in those leagues. If not they'd have problems - like Leigh, in fact.

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:48 am  

east stander wrote:

London are propped up by a wealthy backer. Whilst he is there then there are no financial issues

We've had Sheffield. What has Nottingham got to offer? or does this have a strategic military supply site on your mythical route to Marchwood docks

I mentioned the M62 as the strategic sites you used are located close by, but to your credit (covertly) and to strengthen your weak argument you have now moved your supply lines down the M1.

What is your argument as you are a moving target this morning?

The main issue is thier popularity (or lack of it)
No other club would be tollerated with gates around 2500-3000.
The issues surrounding whether London is critical to Sky negotiations are not clear.
Do Sky wan to show games with empty stadiums, because this never looks good.
I have nothing against the Broncos and always enjoy the trips down south, but they are going nowhere fast.
You say that we've HAD Sheffield and they were certainly had with thier "merger", but this was genuine expansion.
What would be your cure for the difficulties in the capatal ?