Re: Good news for England, Ellis is crushing em down under : Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:32 pm  

jonny the leyther wrote:

Think other than Reed it's a big fight for the other centre spot between a lot of players with flaws, Yeaman, Cudjoe, J.Tomkins, Shenton, Atkins, Clubb and Ellis.

The fact that Joel Tomkins is even mentioned as a possible candidate for England shows how poor our other options really are. He's only been playing the position full-time for 3-4 months

Re: Good news for England, Ellis is crushing em down under : Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:36 pm  

Keith Swiftcorn wrote:

Where a player was born is irrelevant.

Where the player learnt his trade and executes his trade is entirely relevant.

How can where a players born not be relevant in International Rugby League? In fact, any international sport.

Re: Good news for England, Ellis is crushing em down under : Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:41 pm  

Dunbar wrote:

Is this Jack Reed, the 23 year old who has only managed to play 19 first grade games of Rugby League?

Apart from the fact that he plays in the NRL, in what way is Reed better than Kallum Watkins for example who has played more first grade games despite being three years younger?

If Luke Burgess had not played in Super League, people over here would be pleading for him to play for England just because he has had some good games in the NRL

Yes this s the same Jack Reed that had to publicly dismiss talk of him playing Origin RL.

Is this Kallum Watkins, the 20 year old who has only managed to play 33 first grade games of Rugby League?

Re: Good news for England, Ellis is crushing em down under : Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:51 pm  

jonny the leyther wrote:

Yes this s the same Jack Reed that had to publicly dismiss talk of him playing Origin RL.

Is this Kallum Watkins, the 20 year old who has only managed to play 33 first grade games of Rugby League?

Yes... a 20 year old who has played 33 first grade games and had a whole season lost through serious injury

Why has Reed only played 19 first grade games at 23 years old?

Reed may well be a great player in the making but let’s not judge that exclusively by the league he plays in

Re: Good news for England, Ellis is crushing em down under : Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:56 pm  

Dunbar wrote:

Yes... a 20 year old who has played 33 first grade games and had a whole season lost through serious injury

Why has Reed only played 19 first grade games at 23 years old?

Reed may well be a great player in the making but let’s not judge that exclusively by the league he plays in

On form i'd say Reed is one of the best 5 or 6 centres in the NRL, the best club competition around.

Callum Watkins has got potential, but he's nowhere near one of the best few centres in SL at the moment.

Re: Good news for England, Ellis is crushing em down under : Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:02 pm  

jonny the leyther wrote:

On form i'd say Reed is one of the best 5 or 6 centres in the NRL, the best club competition around.

Callum Watkins has got potential, but he's nowhere near one of the best few centres in SL at the moment.

I'm not really sure that we can say when Reed is on form or not after playimg just 19 games, never mid have enough information to rank him in the top x centres

Yes, the NRL is the strongest club competition in the world of Rugby League but this is the problem – let’s not assume that every player who plays in that league is world class because they simply aren’t

Re: Good news for England, Ellis is crushing em down under : Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:04 pm  

I agree with you on that, but I have probably seen Jack Reed play more that I have Kallum Watkins and I think he's a star.

Re: Good news for England, Ellis is crushing em down under : Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:05 pm  

jonny the leyther wrote:

I agree with you on that, but I have probably seen Jack Reed play more that I have Kallum Watkins and I think he's a star.

OK, that's a fair point - I hope turns out to be (and English!)

Re: Good news for England, Ellis is crushing em down under : Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:09 pm  

Nice to have a disagreement on the VT that hasn't ended up in handbags!

Re: Good news for England, Ellis is crushing em down under : Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:30 pm  

The Clan wrote:

What's that got to do with the quality of Gareth Ellis?

You've lost the argument fella, give it up.

Only a "novice" (your word) would argue that an error-strewn individual performance which constituted 6 missed tackles and 3 ineffective tackles somehow constitutes as "quality", and the "mashing up" and "crushing" of the opposition single-handedly.