: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:27 pm  

other than maybe Toulouse being given the same opportunity as Leigh to get promoted, and your scared they will prepare better than you

I Could not care less about getting ' promoted ' to SL , therefore am not scared of anything that Toulouse do or dont do , I posted that some fans of certain clubs will be upset about it and that might impact upon the finances of those clubs


Previously I have posted that it will also adversly effect the ability of NL clubs to draw financial backing

you must be very proud of yourself

I am thanks

strange then the only negative to Toulouses inclusion is they may stop some clubs getting a SL place in the future, but at least one of those you know isnt anywhere near ready, yet still you moan

I am not moaning as you put it , I am giving my opinion , that is that the inclusion of Toulouse will not have any tangible benifit to the other clubs in the NL's , there are only negatives to the clubs in NL 1 ,

seems odd how much time you spend moaning about what SL does then

I is a long time since I posted anything about what the SL clubs have done , or are you insinuing that the SL clubs have made this decision rather than the RFL ?

: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:53 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Must be the drugs

it must be, to not see the last two pages where we have quite clearly discuessed the difference between NL1 and NL2,

: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:56 pm  

Please get a room.

: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:56 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

but you have just said the NLs will suffer no ill effects because of Toulouse inclusion? yet here you are saying they would? strange

also, what makes you think the NLs would be the recipient of another £1m or that they deserve it? the NLs are already taking £100k a year (every year) each more than before whilst contributing very little more to the game, yet you are complaining that a completely seperate £330k is being devoted to expanding the game,

ridiculous

I have put my previous post below [ the one you have just quoted ] , now no doubt you will try to twist things round but nowhere there can I see that I have posted that the NL's will ' suffer ' ill effects or gain anything

What I have posted is that wether they are successful or not succesful many fans will see it as a failure

So who is strange , you seem to be seeing things

from me


So you think that the clubs in NL 1 will be able to pull more sponsorship and get more fans through the turnstiles because of the inclusion of Toulouse

You are in dreamland , it is a no win situation , if Toulouse do well on the pitch the fans will see it as they are being allowed to flout the salary cap and quota rules , if they do badly and potentially end up in a relegation place the fans will question why they have been allowed in NL 1 instead of starting in NL2

And all this is costing the RFL close to a million pounds over the 3 years

And yet every NL club is struggling to survive

As regards the money it will cost fine

If it is purely being spent to help the development of

1 Toulouse into a potential future SL club

2 The development of French RL

3 The international game as a result of 1 and 2

But that is not what is being proclaimed is it

We are being told that the inclusion of Toulouse is for the benifit of the NL's [ both NL1 and 2 ]

So I am still waiting for anybody to give me 1 real tangible financial benifit to the NL's [ 1 and 2 ]

And as you are always telling us that RL is not a sport but a business , it is money that really counts isn't it

: Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:00 pm  

-VIKINGMAN- wrote:

Please get a room.

We have one , it's on here

There's only half a dozen look on here , so you could say this is a private ' discussion '

: Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:03 pm  

Starbug wrote:

I Could not care less about getting ' promoted ' to SL , therefore am not scared of anything that Toulouse do or dont do , I posted that some fans of certain clubs will be upset about it and that might impact upon the finances of those clubs

so then you have nothing to moan about then do you?

Previously I have posted that it will also adversly effect the ability of NL clubs to draw financial backing

but you have also said Toulouse will not be a ' cancer ' in NL 1 , I have never stated that yet here you are stating that clubs in NL1 will lose income because of Toulouses inclusion,

surely the effects of that would be seen worse in NL2 where there is less money and smaller clubs, and by asking them to take on this burden instead of NL1 clubs, you are showing your true colours a little clearer,

I am not moaning as you put it , I am giving my opinion , that is that the inclusion of Toulouse will not have any tangible benifit to the other clubs in the NL's , there are only negatives to the clubs in NL 1 ,

well thats confusing considering you have also said The other 7 clubs will be unaffected (the other three clubs being the ones which want SL but wont get it because of Toulouse but by your own admission, at least one of these three is being protected from themselves by keeping them out of SL,)

so wouldnt that mean only two clubs in NL1, could possibly see a negative effect because of Toulouses inclusion, and even then it wouldnt be a negative that effected them in NL1, simply not being promoted to SL

you seem to contradict yourself at every turn

Previously I have posted that it will also adversly effect the ability of NL clubs to draw financial backing

Starbug wrote:

Toulouse will not be a ' cancer ' in NL 1 , I have never stated that

Starbug wrote:

The other 7 clubs will be unaffected

added to

Starbug wrote:

3 clubs will possibly suffer from thier inclusion as some of the fans of those 3 clubs will see thier club possibly miss out on a franchise in 2012

but then argue that a club of Leigh size, which is similar to Halifax, would be killed if they ever were to be admitted to SL, thats two of those three clubs protected from themselves by Toulouse being promoted ahead of them,

so all this negativity from you on Toulouses inclusion is based on the fact that in 3 years time, Widnes may or may not be promoted to SL and Toulouse may or may not be promoted ahead of them, or with them,

I is a long time since I posted anything about what the SL clubs have done , or are you insinuing that the SL clubs have made this decision rather than the RFL ?

i think all stakeholders will have had an input

: Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:04 pm  

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: Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:18 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

...

Your most insightful post ever

: Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:22 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

so then you have nothing to moan about then do you?



but you have also said Toulouse will not be a ' cancer ' in NL 1 , I have never stated that yet here you are stating that clubs in NL1 will lose income because of Toulouses inclusion,

surely the effects of that would be seen worse in NL2 where there is less money and smaller clubs, and by asking them to take on this burden instead of NL1 clubs, you are showing your true colours a little clearer,




well thats confusing considering you have also said The other 7 clubs will be unaffected (the other three clubs being the ones which want SL but wont get it because of Toulouse but by your own admission, at least one of these three is being protected from themselves by keeping them out of SL,)

so wouldnt that mean only two clubs in NL1, could possibly see a negative effect because of Toulouses inclusion, and even then it wouldnt be a negative that effected them in NL1, simply not being promoted to SL

you seem to contradict yourself at every turn







added to


but then argue that a club of Leigh size, which is similar to Halifax, would be killed if they ever were to be admitted to SL, thats two of those three clubs protected from themselves by Toulouse being promoted ahead of them,

so all this negativity from you on Toulouses inclusion is based on the fact that in 3 years time, Widnes may or may not be promoted to SL and Toulouse may or may not be promoted ahead of them, or with them,



i think all stakeholders will have had an input

An awful lot of editing of complete quotes there

Have you given up on the

NL 1 clubs are very different to NL 2 clubs now

: Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:23 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

so then you have nothing to moan about then do you?



but you have also said Toulouse will not be a ' cancer ' in NL 1 , I have never stated that yet here you are stating that clubs in NL1 will lose income because of Toulouses inclusion,

surely the effects of that would be seen worse in NL2 where there is less money and smaller clubs, and by asking them to take on this burden instead of NL1 clubs, you are showing your true colours a little clearer,




well thats confusing considering you have also said The other 7 clubs will be unaffected (the other three clubs being the ones which want SL but wont get it because of Toulouse but by your own admission, at least one of these three is being protected from themselves by keeping them out of SL,)

so wouldnt that mean only two clubs in NL1, could possibly see a negative effect because of Toulouses inclusion, and even then it wouldnt be a negative that effected them in NL1, simply not being promoted to SL

you seem to contradict yourself at every turn







added to


but then argue that a club of Leigh size, which is similar to Halifax, would be killed if they ever were to be admitted to SL, thats two of those three clubs protected from themselves by Toulouse being promoted ahead of them,

so all this negativity from you on Toulouses inclusion is based on the fact that in 3 years time, Widnes may or may not be promoted to SL and Toulouse may or may not be promoted ahead of them, or with them,



i think all stakeholders will have had an input

I notice that you missed the bit about nobody coming up with one tangible benifit , which was after all the point of the original post