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Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:15 pm  

William Eve wrote: Round 1 attendances in SL this year = 64387 Round 1 attendances SL last year = 73720 % drop in attendances = 12.66% Note: *Last years Round 1 attendances were achieved in what were atrocious weather conditions - according to Nigel Wood. What's the point of picking out one sound bite of good news from last year and trying to use it to prove this year is worse. Different season, difefernt games, different economic situation. There is no value in it apart from giving you some text to moan about. If the same is the case after 5-6 rounds then maybe it's something to talk about.

William Eve wrote: Round 1 attendances in SL this year = 64387 Round 1 attendances SL last year = 73720 % drop in attendances = 12.66% Note: *Last years Round 1 attendances were achieved in what were atrocious weather conditions - according to Nigel Wood. What's the point of picking out one sound bite of good news from last year and trying to use it to prove this year is worse. Different season, difefernt games, different economic situation. There is no value in it apart from giving you some text to moan about. If the same is the case after 5-6 rounds then maybe it's something to talk about.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:07 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

:shock:

So not the first club to go full time pro then, suckking in an elite squad of top players and then uncle Mo helping broker a deal with Sky.
(we wont mention the move from Central Park )

Not in the 80's.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:06 pm  

UPDATE...
SL Round 6 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year

Hull V Castleford in 2013 = 11,852
Hull V Castleford in 2012 = 11,607
Percentage increase in attendance = +2.11%

Leeds V Huddersfield in 2013 = 15,013
Leeds V Huddersfield in 2012 = 15,408
Percentage drop in attendance = -2.56%

Warrington V St Helens in 2013 = 13,381
Warrington V St Helens in 2012 = 15,000
Percentage drop in attendance = -10.79%

Widnes V Bradford in 2013 = 5,861
Widnes V Bradford in 2012 = 5,687
Percentage increase in attendance = +3.06%

Wigan V Catalan in 2013 = 12,149
Wigan V Catalan in 2012 = 14,464
Percentage drop in attendance = -16.01%

28 out of 39 SL fixtures in 2013 have now registered a fall in attendance compared to the same fixtures between the same teams last year.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:56 pm  

That 2012 Warrington crowd looks suspicious !

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:00 am  

Well done Widnes and Hull for bucking the trend

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:06 am  

Nearly all the Saints and Salford home Fixtures are going to show a drop for opposite reasons.

Salford having to sell half their squad in the off season. Saints because last year had the novelty factor for some new fans, who where lets say fly by nighters.

In the end we can count numbers each and every year, but lets say there is a drop this year, does that make a difference. Next year it may go up again. Surely the overall improvement since the start of SL is what we should be concentrating on.

To take a financial point of view, the stock market fell between March 2008 and 2009, there have been ups and downs since then but over all the last 5 years the stock market has gone up.

SL may take a downward turn this year as things like the new stadia, are less novel and as other teams improve or get worse. But so long as the long term trend is stable or up, that's all that matters.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:33 am  

Round 6

2012 = 66,171
2013 = 58,256 (so far)

7,915 to beat 2012

With Wakefield and London home games to go.......

2013 Average so far......Wakey (8,852) and London (2,371) = 11,223

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:49 am  

j.c wrote: Well done Widnes and Hull for bucking the trend Hull FC's attendance no doubt artificially boosted by their bring a friend for a FIVER offer.

j.c wrote: Well done Widnes and Hull for bucking the trend Hull FC's attendance no doubt artificially boosted by their bring a friend for a FIVER offer.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:01 am  

William Eve wrote: Hull FC's attendance no doubt artificially boosted by their bring a friend for a FIVER offer. In truth irrelivant william, you dont have to look for excuses

William Eve wrote: Hull FC's attendance no doubt artificially boosted by their bring a friend for a FIVER offer. In truth irrelivant william, you dont have to look for excuses

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:12 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

Nearly all the Saints and Salford home Fixtures are going to show a drop for opposite reasons.

Salford having to sell half their squad in the off season. Saints because last year had the novelty factor for some new fans, who where lets say fly by nighters.

In the end we can count numbers each and every year, but lets say there is a drop this year, does that make a difference. Next year it may go up again. Surely the overall improvement since the start of SL is what we should be concentrating on.

To take a financial point of view, the stock market fell between March 2008 and 2009, there have been ups and downs since then but over all the last 5 years the stock market has gone up.

SL may take a downward turn this year as things like the new stadia, are less novel and as other teams improve or get worse. But so long as the long term trend is stable or up, that's all that matters.

The question of the appropriate time window over which to assess how things are going is a good one. Clearly comparing one week to the next is too short for useful info, but then I'm not sure of the useful value of comparing with the start of SL either ( its interesting, but not practically useful). I mean, sure, we can say its better or worse than year X ( take anything between 1895 and 2012) but really all that matters is "how are we doing now?, are we doing the right things to make sure the curve is in the right direction? Are we doing any wrong things that are holding back growth?" People call this pessismism, I don't know why, but my attitude to it is: if attendences seem, on reasonable evidence, to be drifting a bit lower, we should be on it in a flash to get it fixed, and if they're higher, we should be asking what we need to do to make them even higher - including of course identifying those positive factors which are working and seeing if they can be further enhanced.

In other words, the exact opposite attitude to that of: making excuses for falls, and resting-on-laurels when things rise. Its not pessimism, its wanting the game to be the best it can be.