Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:52 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

in and of itself it is nothing.

Its a fairly abstract standpoint you seem to be taking.

Do you think there is, at this point, an attendance that championship clubs should be getting?

I'd suggest it is poor

No , all I am doing is posting the average , so people can pass an opinion if they wish , be that a positive one or a negative one , it was you that entered abstract points with your Hemel and Leeds analogy

Yes , more than they currently are if we want a ' vibrant ' competition as any matches with less than a couple of thousand attending will have a poor atmosphere , just as SL matches with 2000 odd will not be good for the ' Vibrancy ' of that competition

Continue if you like , I'll just post next weeks figures when I have them

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:10 pm  

Comparative attendances by SL Round

TRANSLATION: Just as SmokeyTA likes it... completely unfudged... no really.

Round 1 Attendance in SL 2013 = 64,387
Round 1 Attendance in SL 2012 = 73,720
Percentage drop in attendance = -12.66%

Round 2 Attendance in SL 2013 = 69,809
Round 2 Attendance in SL 2012 = 74,948
Percentage drop in attendance = -6.86%

Round 3 Attendance in SL 2013 = 58,711
Round 3 Attendance in SL 2012 = 63,612
Percentage drop in attendance = -7.70%

Round 4 Attendance in SL 2013 = 46,166
Round 4 Attendance in SL 2012 = 53,316
Percentage drop in attendance = -13.41%

Round 5 Attendance in SL 2013 = 50,207
Round 5 Attendance in SL 2012 = 67,991
Percentage drop in attendance = -26.16%

Total Attendance Rounds 1 to 5 in 2013 = 289,280
Total Attendance Rounds 1 to 5 in 2012 = 333,587
Percentage drop in attendance Rounds 1 to 5 = -13.28%

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:16 pm  

Looking forward to a press release from the RFL on SL attendances and TV viewing figures in 2013 fairly soon... JUST LIKE LAST YEAR

Looking forward to a press release from the RFL on SL attendances and TV viewing figures in 2013 fairly soon... JUST LIKE LAST YEAR

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:26 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Comparative attendances by SL Round

TRANSLATION: Just as SmokeyTA likes it... completely unfudged... no really.

Round 1 Attendance in SL 2013 = 64,387
Round 1 Attendance in SL 2012 = 73,720
Percentage drop in attendance = -12.66%

Round 2 Attendance in SL 2013 = 69,809
Round 2 Attendance in SL 2012 = 74,948
Percentage drop in attendance = -6.86%

Round 3 Attendance in SL 2013 = 58,711
Round 3 Attendance in SL 2012 = 63,612
Percentage drop in attendance = -7.70%

Round 4 Attendance in SL 2013 = 46,166
Round 4 Attendance in SL 2012 = 53,316
Percentage drop in attendance = -13.41%

Round 5 Attendance in SL 2013 = 50,207
Round 5 Attendance in SL 2012 = 67,991
Percentage drop in attendance = -26.16%

Total Attendance Rounds 1 to 5 in 2013 = 289,280
Total Attendance Rounds 1 to 5 in 2012 = 333,587
Percentage drop in attendance Rounds 1 to 5 = -13.28%

Fudge! Lies! Agenda! I know what's happened here...yes, they might be the numbers AS RECORDED...but how do I know you haven't been meddling with the turnstiles?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:36 pm  

RLBandit wrote:

Fudge! Lies! Agenda! I know what's happened here...yes, they might be the numbers AS RECORDED...but how do I know you haven't been meddling with the turnstiles?

Aww, William's BFF is still humping his leg.....cute

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:36 pm  

just to add to the discussion on championship attendances, i was poking through a few old programmes and found the 2001 trans-penine cup final programme. this was leigh vs. keighley at cougar park and as such the programme was produced by kieghley. attendances are as follows
Hunslet A 1404
Dewsbury H 2511
York A 943
Gateshead A 1052
Hull KR H 2150
Sheffield A 1642
Fev H 3269
Rochdale Mayfield(CC) H 1764
Doncaster A 1691
Hull FC(CC) H 4401
Batley H 1728
Rochdale H 1533
Workington A 1099
Barrow H 2431
Widnes A 3469
Leigh H 3727
Whitehaven A 895
Swinton H 1719
Hull KR A 1910
Chorley H 1501
Oldham A 1815
Hunslet H 1465
Whitehaven 1208
Dewsbury A 1052
Sheffield H 1471

today the fixture that drew 3727(imagine that London fans ) in 2001 got an attendance in the 800's

'vibrant and worth winning in its own right'?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:40 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

RLBandit wrote:

Fudge! Lies! Agenda! I know what's happened here...yes, they might be the numbers AS RECORDED...but how do I know you haven't been meddling with the turnstiles?

Aww, William's BFF is still humping his leg.....cute

Haha, frustrating when facts get in the way of your argument isn't it? Come on, you must have another explanation of why the numbers are wrong? Did he forget to include straw men in the count?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:44 pm  

robt90 wrote:

just to add to the discussion on championship attendances, i was poking through a few old programmes and found the 2001 trans-penine cup final programme. this was leigh vs. keighley at cougar park and as such the programme was produced by kieghley. attendances are as follows
Hunslet A 1404
Dewsbury H 2511
York A 943
Gateshead A 1052
Hull KR H 2150
Sheffield A 1642
Fev H 3269
Rochdale Mayfield(CC) H 1764
Doncaster A 1691
Hull FC(CC) H 4401
Batley H 1728
Rochdale H 1533
Workington A 1099
Barrow H 2431
Widnes A 3469
Leigh H 3727
Whitehaven A 895
Swinton H 1719
Hull KR A 1910
Chorley H 1501
Oldham A 1815
Hunslet H 1465
Whitehaven 1208
Dewsbury A 1052
Sheffield H 1471

today the fixture that drew 3727(imagine that London fans ) in 2001 got an attendance in the 800's

'vibrant and worth winning in its own right'?

unfortunately your research counts as 'talking the game down', so we'll pretend it doesn't exist if that's OK.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:21 pm  

RLBandit wrote:

Haha, frustrating when facts get in the way of your argument isn't it? Come on, you must have another explanation of why the numbers are wrong? Did he forget to include straw men in the count?

Nobody, anywhere, has argued that attendances have risen as a whole from 2012 to 2013.

PS: just because Agent Provocatroll deliberately used the straw men idiom incorrectly as part of his trolling, dont think it helps you to do the same.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:28 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Comparative attendances by SL Round

TRANSLATION: Just as SmokeyTA likes it... completely unfudged... no really.

Round 1 Attendance in SL 2013 = 64,387
Round 1 Attendance in SL 2012 = 73,720
Percentage drop in attendance = -12.66%

Round 2 Attendance in SL 2013 = 69,809
Round 2 Attendance in SL 2012 = 74,948
Percentage drop in attendance = -6.86%

Round 3 Attendance in SL 2013 = 58,711
Round 3 Attendance in SL 2012 = 63,612
Percentage drop in attendance = -7.70%

Round 4 Attendance in SL 2013 = 46,166
Round 4 Attendance in SL 2012 = 53,316
Percentage drop in attendance = -13.41%

Round 5 Attendance in SL 2013 = 50,207
Round 5 Attendance in SL 2012 = 67,991
Percentage drop in attendance = -26.16%

Total Attendance Rounds 1 to 5 in 2013 = 289,280
Total Attendance Rounds 1 to 5 in 2012 = 333,587
Percentage drop in attendance Rounds 1 to 5 = -13.28%

Does anyone know why is round 4 in 2012 so low?

Its so low in 2013 because there is a Leeds home game missing (which when included will obviously lead to a fairly substantial year on year rise)

Im assuming you havent attempted to mislead us by including the Wigan v Widnes game in round 3 2012, so the same is applicable there too. So that would be a hell of a drop in a week from 76k in round 3 to 53k in round 4