Re: Eddie Hearn : Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:53 pm  

Shifty Cat wrote:

No doubt it has the past 10 years or so. You only have to look at the amount of World Champs we have/had in that time and you can see that British boxing is at its absolute peak. It's been a bit of a knock on effect of the amount of money put into the amateur scene for the Olympics that has also brought about the upturn.

it isn't that long that we only had the likes of Hatton and Calzaghe as WC boxers and one or two others, now you can reel a list off of recent and present Champs.
Off the top of my head, there's AJ, Fury, Haye, Froch, Kell Brook, Khan, James DeGale, Billy Joe Saunders, Callum Smith, Liam Smith, Rocky Fielding, Josh Warrington, Ryan Burnett, Khalid Yafai, Groves, Eubank Jr, Crolla & Ricky Burns.

Also, agree Froch was an excellent boxer. The only guy that really schooled him was Andre Ward and he was ranked as the P4P best by Ring magazine and others during his LHW career. You don't beat the likes of Kessler, Bute, Jean Pascal, Jermaine Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham & Groves unless you're WC

Because weve got more world champion boxers it doesnt mean the quality of boxing and standard has improved.Take for instance Froch vs groves at wembley.If they were fighters from 20 years ago they wouldn't have filled a telephone box,especially groves who is an average fighter.The majority of americans and fighters from the west are turning to MMA and the Ufc.Boxing barely gets a mention in the states these days.What Hearn has managed to do with sky is make their fighters massive amounts of money,many of whom wouldnt live with the boxers from 20 years ago.

Re: Eddie Hearn : Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:02 pm  

saintnickle34 wrote:

Because weve got more world champion boxers it doesnt mean the quality of boxing and standard has improved.Take for instance Froch vs groves at wembley.If they were fighters from 20 years ago they wouldn't have filled a telephone box,especially groves who is an average fighter.The majority of americans and fighters from the west are turning to MMA and the Ufc.Boxing barely gets a mention in the states these days.What Hearn has managed to do with sky is make their fighters massive amounts of money,many of whom wouldnt live with the boxers from 20 years ago.

It's simply called hype. The Hearns are very good at it, and they have a paying public who are more than willing to lap it up, seemingly at any cost.

Re: Eddie Hearn : Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:27 pm  

saintnickle34 wrote:

Because weve got more world champion boxers it doesnt mean the quality of boxing and standard has improved.Take for instance Froch vs groves at wembley.If they were fighters from 20 years ago they wouldn't have filled a telephone box,especially groves who is an average fighter.The majority of americans and fighters from the west are turning to MMA and the Ufc.Boxing barely gets a mention in the states these days.What Hearn has managed to do with sky is make their fighters massive amounts of money,many of whom wouldnt live with the boxers from 20 years ago.

Didn't argue otherwise but it's up for debate about the standard but that's beside the point. What can be generated through those Champions in today's world is hype though and people are buying into it big style through Social Media arguments that the media are quick to jump all over and other match up's that the Country are keen to see because they are quality fighters, Aj v fury for example.
No doubt the Hearns have done a great job of turning the talent we've produced of recent times and made people want to see the fights, even when they're not for World titles, people have bought into them and filled big stadiums like Haye v Bellew.
The issue for me is that all transferable to RL. Boxing like darts and Snooker are individual sports where you hire an arena do all the build-up and put on the event. Will their skill set translate to RL. We'll see if they get involved.

As for boxing barely getting a mention in the States, I don't totally agree, it does, but not to the extent when the USA ruled the HW division and that for me and others is the reason why boxing over there isn't ruling like it once was. Give them a dominant HW Champion, like a Tyson or Ali and I bet we'd see the sport suddenly come back to life.

When I grew up and took Karate and then Kickboxing classes it was just for the love of it, how things have changed. Kids go to gyms thinking they may actually make a career as sorts out of it if they're any good and have good training.
I'm actually involved in training guys for MMA and what you say is true, MMA is seen as an actual way to earn a good living, where it wasn't just 10/15 years ago and has definitely made a dent on boxings hold of fighting & they actually have to compete with something similar nowadays. Whereas 20/30 years ago Boxing was it, as far as someone wanting to watch a PPV fight.

Over in the US Collegiate wrestlers only had the Olympics and WC to turn their hand to after University but now MMA is where many turn to. Similarly, former Golden glove champions are getting to their local MMA gym, learning a bit of takedown defense etc and working their way up to the UFC. Even American football players who haven't made the grade or got injured are equally turning to it. Similarly over here I've got guys that have played RU and RL that are athletes and are wanting to learn all the different bases of MMA.

Re: Eddie Hearn : Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:20 pm  

saintnickle34 wrote:

Because weve got more world champion boxers it doesnt mean the quality of boxing and standard has improved.Take for instance Froch vs groves at wembley.If they were fighters from 20 years ago they wouldn't have filled a telephone box,especially groves who is an average fighter.The majority of americans and fighters from the west are turning to MMA and the Ufc.Boxing barely gets a mention in the states these days.What Hearn has managed to do with sky is make their fighters massive amounts of money,many of whom wouldnt live with the boxers from 20 years ago.

Are we really gonna continue this myth that MMA is taking over from boxing. I must have heard this for like 15 years now. It's simply not true at all.

MMA is a niche sport. Its niche in the states and even less popular in Europe. Both MMA/UFC and boxing co exist and do good business.

Essentially both sports need stars. UFC numbers are down and that's because they have one PPV star and that's Connor McGregor. Outside of him it's a struggle. You let me know when UFC can sell 80,000+ tickets in Wembley at least once.

Anthony Joshua sells out huge stadiums and does 1m+ PPV buys.

When you see an MMA fighter generate the money Floyd Mayweather did we can start having a serious debate.

I have been watching MMA since the 90's. It's a great sport, just hate seeing this anti boxing fans come out with rubbish how it's this huge sport which will kill boxing.

Also froch would have lived and competed with any super middleweight from 20 years ago.

Re: Eddie Hearn : Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:59 am  

Time to say thank you and goodbye (please stand down) to the RFL Board. (Barwick has a job overseeing the 2021 RLWC anyway).

Then appoint an RFL board of Eddie Hearn (Executive Chairman) and Barry Hearn & Robert Elstone as non-execs (& Sally Bolton if she'd be a non-exec). Rimmer to go back to being Chief Operating Officer of the RFL.

Then scrap the salary cap and away we go.

Re: Eddie Hearn : Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:12 pm  

Fax and furious wrote:

Time to say thank you and goodbye (please stand down) to the RFL Board. (Barwick has a job overseeing the 2021 RLWC anyway).

Then appoint an RFL board of Eddie Hearn (Executive Chairman) and Barry Hearn & Robert Elstone as non-execs (& Sally Bolton if she'd be a non-exec). Rimmer to go back to being Chief Operating Officer of the RFL.

Then scrap the salary cap and away we go.

No thanks. If the Hearns have a magic wand why don’t they take over a club and show everyone how it’s done. Marwan K is a successful horse racing owner but I wouldn’t want him running our sport either.

Re: Eddie Hearn : Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:38 pm  

Fax and furious wrote:

Time to say thank you and goodbye (please stand down) to the RFL Board. (Barwick has a job overseeing the 2021 RLWC anyway).

Then appoint an RFL board of Eddie Hearn (Executive Chairman) and Barry Hearn & Robert Elstone as non-execs (& Sally Bolton if she'd be a non-exec). Rimmer to go back to being Chief Operating Officer of the RFL.

Then scrap the salary cap and away we go.

Away we go to what?

Re: Eddie Hearn : Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:27 am  

Willzay wrote:

Away we go to what?

To flourishing again, rather than being held back by under achieving clubs

Regards

King James

Re: Eddie Hearn : Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:54 am  

bramleyrhino wrote:

So we scrap the salary cap and then what? Most clubs still won't be able to afford to attract the top NRL talent or retain what talent we have, and we'll still be stuck with the 12 Super League clubs who, by and large, aren't up to the job.

Said it before, but Hearn is the easy answer to the wrong question. We spend too much time asking "who can save us?", when the real solutions are well within the grasp of the clubs.

All of the clubs employ commercial, PR and marketing managers - it's their job to find new audiences, find sponsors, sell tickets and put the stars in the public eye. The first question to ask is why those people aren't earning their keep, rather than jumping into bed with a snake oil salesman who can spot a quick buck a mile off.

Some clubs find themselves having money troubles with a salary cap. How long would these clubs survive without a salary cap

Re: Eddie Hearn : Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:56 pm  

Well here we go, the same old gullible wanna bees on here backing yet another snake oil salesman.

Just ask yourselves fir once what the hell is into for him and if you find the answer you'll steer well clear.