Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:00 am  

JB Down Under wrote:

I'd rather you stuck to just the avg rd stats, far too many variables to compare game for game. NRL has a really good crowd stats website going back decades, wish we had something similar.

I did that originally, hence the thread title which highlighted a 12.66% drop in attendances in Round 1 compared to the same round last year but the usual suspects complained they weren't like-for-like figures because of the comparison between different fixtures. Of course, what they really meant was that the figures were unacceptable because they didn't match their expectations for positive news items ONLY. That's why I'm now comparing the attendances for the same fixtures between the same teams, but the usual suspects remain unhappy because the attendance figures still don't match their expectations for positive news items ONLY.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:41 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

secondly, attendances at SL grounds, on the whole, have been higher in 2013 than in 2011.

Your continued thread-hijacking obsession with 2011 attendances is noted, despite this thread being about a comparison with 2012 attendances. However, I'll indulge you on 2011 for one last time

Figures including non-like-for-like fixture comparisons involving Crusaders and Widnes fixtures.
2013 attendances (27 fixtures) = 239,073
2011 attendances (27 fixtures) = 247,114
% fall in attendances = -3.25%

SmokeyTA wrote:

This is the 2nd best attended rounds 2,3,4 in the history of the game.

Incorrect.
2013 attendances (Rounds 2,3,4 = 20 fixtures) = 174,686
2012 attendances (same 20 fixtures as in 2013) = 198,712
2011 attendances (same fixtures as in 2013 but including Widnes & Crusaders fixtures) = 186,967
% fall in attendance with 2012 = -12.09%
% fall in attendance with 2011 = -6.57%

SmokeyTA wrote:

It is the 3rd best attended rounds 1-4 in the history of the game purely because in 2011 round 1 was the magic weekend.

Waffle!

SmokeyTA wrote:

Other than that crowds have been better in 2013 than 2011.

Incorrect.

SmokeyTA wrote:

And we can repeat again, (so you can add another bite to your hilarious, wonderful, intelligent trolling by repeating incorrect figures) that your figures do not include all the games played in 2011 or 2013 because this would show figures were up.

Repeat as many times as you like... you're still wrong.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:48 am  

William Eve wrote:

Your continued thread-hijacking obsession with 2011 attendances is noted, despite this thread being about a comparison with 2012 attendances. However, I'll indulge you on 2011 for one last time

Figures including non-like-for-like fixture comparisons involving Crusaders and Widnes fixtures.
2013 attendances (27 fixtures) = 239,073
2011 attendances (27 fixtures) = 247,114
% fall in attendances = -3.25%

Incorrect.
2013 attendances (Rounds 2,3,4 = 20 fixtures) = 174,686
2012 attendances (same 20 fixtures as in 2013) = 198,712
2011 attendances (same fixtures as in 2013 but including Widnes & Crusaders fixtures) = 186,967
% fall in attendance with 2012 = -12.09%
% fall in attendance with 2011 = -6.57%

Waffle!

Incorrect.

Repeat as many times as you like... you're still wrong.

You are wrong

Round 2 attendances 2011 59947
round 2 attendances 2013 69809

round 3 attendances 2011 51216
round 3 attendances 2013 58711

round 4 attendances 2011 59217
round 4 attendances 2013 46166

total = rounds 2,3,4 attendances 2011 170380
total = rounds 2,3,4 attendances 2013 174686

Happy to help.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:40 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

I dont know where you got those figures from but they are wrong

Round 2 Fixtures
Fixture... 2013 attendance... 2012 attendance... %gain/loss... 2011 attendance... %gain/loss
Wigan V Warrington... 20,050... 21,267... -5.72%... 21,056... -4.78%
Catalan V Salford... 6,872... 8,158... -15.76%... 7,156... -3.97%
Wakefield V Hull KR... 9,237... 8,612... +7.26%... 7,283... +26.83%
Hudds V London... 5,273... 6,019... -12.39%... 5,220... +1.02%
Hull V Bradford... 10,952... 11,673... -6.18%... 11,346... -3.47%
Widnes V St Helens... 8,322... 7,023... +18.50%... 4,002... +107.95%
Castleford V Leeds... 9,103... 9,237... -1.45%... 9,860... -7.68%
Total attendance in 2013 = 69,809 (Avg: 9,973)
Total attendance for fixtures in 2012 = 71,989 (Avg: 10,284)
% decrease V 2012= -3.03%
Total attendance for fixtures in 2011 = 65,923 (Avg: 9,418)
% increase V 2011= +5.89%

Corresponding 2011 Crusaders V St Helens fixture in red

Round 3 Fixtures
Fixture... 2013 attendance... 2012 attendance... %gain/loss... 2011 attendance... %gain/loss
Leeds V Salford... 12,558... 15,081... -16.73%... 13,068... -3.90%
Saints V Hull... 11,257... 14,875... -24.32%... 7,053... +59.61%
Warrington V Catalan... 10,015... 10,570... -5.25%... 10,056... -0.41%
Hudds V Wigan... 8,023... 10,123... -20.74%... 8,151... -1.57%
Bradford V Castleford... 7,724... 10,906... -29.18%... 14,348... -46.17%
Hull KR V Widnes... 7,247... 7,423... -2.37%... 8,602... -15.75%
London V Wakefield... 1,887... 2,268... -16.80%... 2,875... -34.37%
Total attendance in 2013 = 58,711 (Avg: 8,387)
Total attendance for fixtures in 2012 = 71,246 (Avg: 10,178)
% decrease V 2012 = -17.59%
Total attendance for fixtures in 2011 = 64,153 (Avg: 9,164)
% decrease V 2011 = -8.48%

*Corresponding 2011 Hull KR v Crusaders fixture in red

Round 4 Fixtures
Fixture... 2013 attendance... 2012 attendance... %gain/loss... 2011 attendance... %gain/loss
Bradford V Saints... 8,203... 11,360... -27.80%... 13,224... -37.97%
Hull V Warrington... 10,712... 12,710... -15.72%... 16,121... -33.56%
Wigan V London... 11,590... 12,608... -8.07%... 12,813... -9.54%
Castleford V Catalan... 5,205... 5,005... +3.99%... 4,889... +6.46%
Wakefield V Hudds... 8,467... 8,794... -3.72%... 5,436... +55.76%
Salford V Hull KR... 1,989... 5,000... -60.22%... 4,408... -54.88%
Total attendance in 2013 = 46,166 (Avg: 7,694)
Total attendance for fixtures in 2012 = 55,477 (Avg: 9,246)
% decrease V 2012 = -16.78%
Total attendance for fixtures in 2012 = 56,891 (Avg: 9,482)
% decrease V 2011= -18.85%


TOTALS
2013 attendances Rounds 2,3,4 = 69,809 + 58,711 + 46,166 = 174,686
2012 attendances = 71,989 + 71,246 + 55,477 = 198,712
2011 attendances = 65,923 + 64,153 + 56,891 = 186,967
% fall in attendance with 2012 = -12.09%
% fall in attendance with 2011 = -6.57%

HTH

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:45 pm  

you can keep fudging your figures all you want. It wont ever make them true.

More people went to watch rounds 2,3,4 in 2013 than did in 2011.

Fortunately the clubs can take that additional revenue to the bank, nobody can do anything useful with your misguided nonsense.

Happy to help you again.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:19 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

you can keep fudging your figures all you want. It wont ever make them true.

Which attendances have I fudged?

Which attendances are not true?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:40 pm  

If ever the phrase "Get a life!" was needed then this could be it.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:55 pm  

Good god!! Is our little Billy still at it. Its time he did something useful with his life .........like disappearing (for ever).

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:18 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Which attendances have I fudged?

Which attendances are not true?

All of them. Your evidence does not address the statement. It is a fudge. It is an avoidance of the facts.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:59 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

All of them. Your evidence does not address the statement. It is a fudge. It is an avoidance of the facts.

He's providing the figures. If you want to provide the facts, that's up to you.