Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:32 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Are you sure the attendance was 16,121? because that helps my agenda

The reason I ask is that with my agenda I appear to have discovered a new method of determining attendances to waste my time trolling...

1. Cherry pick attendances which support my agenda.
1. Ignore the ones which don't
2. pretend entire clubs dont exist.
3. Dont compare like for like.
4. just make them up.
5. repeat ad nauseum.

This season has the second best attendances at super league grounds in the history of the game. I dont want to talk about that because I am fairly insecure and nobody taught me the difference between good attention and bad attention. So i come on here and deliberately act like a moron so people will call me a moron and I can laugh smugly because that was my intention the whole time. Ha ha arent I funny guffaw and so on, SL whipping boy rabble, NRL fanboy nonsense, ha ha biting, ad hominem

Disappointingly being pointlessly annoying doesnt seem as fun as you pretend it is.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:12 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Reading those links even Warrington fans say they estimate the Wire following at 2,500-3,000. That would mean that over 13,000 Hull fans turned up for a game which was effectively 'meaningless' to them as they were already guaranteed a playoff spot and it was on TV. Considering around 10,500 is the usual number for this game on a weekend night on TV then Hull would've had to have an extra 4,000 fans to what usually attend this fixture....'UNLIKELY' springs to mind.

The attendance was 16,121. I remember the large crowd clearly.

As I posted earlier, a number of Hull fans will have swapped unused season ticket vouchers for an extra match ticket. For the last home league game in 2010 against Leeds we had an attendance of 16,208 and against Bradford in 2009 we got 13,412 despite being 12th in the league. Both of these were on Sky Sports, incidentally.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:19 pm  

John Charnock wrote:

I think that 13,024 was the capacity of the HJ stadium in 2010 & 2011, so there wasn't much chance of an increase in attendance, no matter how many more people would have liked to go.

vs Saints in 2011 they got 13,257

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:12 pm  

William Eve wrote:

1. Round up all heretics and gather for the grand inquisition.
1. Ignore officially announced attendances like 16,121 by the Hull FC club itself.
2. Place complete trust in the BBC website as supreme arbiter on correct attendance.
3. Gather info on previous total attendances for the same fixture.
4. Count the number of legs on those in total attendance and then divide by 3.
5. Indulge in further exercises of self-flagellation.

That's 6 things, you've listed '1' twice..........god you're bad with numbers aren't you

1 - Yes, you did do that, it was good while it lasted.
1 (again ) - What's funny is that if we could go back in time to Sept 2011 you'd be the first person to scoff at that number and say it's an exaggeration.
2 - Nope, several websites.......we've already worked out that your previous figures where based solely on ONE single website.
3 - Gathering info on previous fixtures .......that's what you've been doing since the start of this thread you moron it's the whole point of this thread in the first place, comparing figures year-to-year......god it's like talking to a whoopee cushion.
4 - So there were actually 32,535 in the KC then???
5 - Hey whatever you like to get up to in your spare time.

What's beautifully ironic is that while us 'positive ones' have found context for good and bad numbers, the only time you've added context to an attendance is this Hull/Wire one that you want so badly to boost your numbers up, yet it's extremely convenient earlier in the thread you make no mention of Hull/Bradford being postponed or Hudds/Wigan being moved forward 24 hours with days to spare. ............that dear boy is an agenda

And just for arguments sake lets allow you to keep your incorrect figures of 2013/2011 comparison TOTALS..... 220,648..... 232,744 (-12,096)..........I've already proven that Bradford at home are responsible for 14,217 less. So perhaps the thread should be renamed 'Bradford figures falling'.......but I've forgot, that's not the chosen agenda now is it

No, the whole reasoning behind this thread is that you think (and want others to believe too) that the regular season has become 'meaningless'.......so again quite ironic that your explaination of why the Hull/Wire crowd was so big was because several thousand extra Wire fans turned out to watch their team win the LLS.........you know, the prize you get for finishing 1st in the 'meaningless' weekly rounds. explain that dead-end you've just driven yourself into

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:15 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

:lol:

You did well to keep it up for so long, but that is far far too obvious. Your mask has slipped. You have let yourself down. At least a 93k increase in viewing figures is worrying. Nobody is going to believe that type of commitment to find the negative is sincere.

...and...as expected...

No debate allowed. If you have any question or concern about any figures you hate Rugby League.

Right, fine Smokey, we get it. Keep taking the pills.

OK, moving on, for those with dummies still in their mouths.

It still seems to me that whilst neither method is perfect, a comparison of viewing figures makes more sense round-by-round than it does pair-by-pair; specifically, I'd expect to see the first version more strongly correlated with whatever the final figure is at the end of the season. ( The only 'right' answer is at the end of the year, but Smokey's wannabe-a-moderator BS notwithstanding, it seems OK to me to TALK about the figures so far).

I repeat the genuine question - does anyone know of anything that could account for that Leeds-Hull figure? Was something else big on the telly that night?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:21 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Are you sure the attendance was 16,121?

The reason I ask is that certain people with an agenda appear to have discovered a new method of determining attendances which doesn't fit the criteria for positive news ONLY and which is basically as follows...

1. Round up all heretics and gather for the grand inquisition.
1. Ignore officially announced attendances like 16,121 by the Hull FC club itself.
2. Place complete trust in the BBC website as supreme arbiter on correct attendance.
3. Gather info on previous total attendances for the same fixture.
4. Count the number of legs on those in total attendance and then divide by 3.
5. Indulge in further exercises of self-flagellation.

And SL attendances in 2013 still remain down by over 8% compared to the same SL fixtures in 2012 and over 5% down on the same fixtures in 2011. It is to be hoped that attendances for this weekend's round of SL fixtures show a marked improvement on the previous rounds.

Good grief man, 'marked improvement' ?!? That would surely ruin our "agenda" to destroy the sport of Rugby League by posting on a forum. Have you lost the plot?!?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:33 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

<snip>...

No, the whole reasoning behind this thread is that you think (and want others to believe too) that the regular season has become 'meaningless'.......so again quite ironic that your explaination of why the Hull/Wire crowd was so big was because several thousand extra Wire fans turned out to watch their team win the LLS.........you know, the prize you get for finishing 1st in the 'meaningless' weekly rounds. explain that dead-end you've just driven yourself into

Well I didn't know that was his "agenda" nor did I know it was one you were accusing him of.

(If I have an "agenda", I've been completely open about - I think Nigel Wood and most of the current RFL team are bad for the long-term future - but I still do not accept that because I happen to think that, therefore every post is automatically intended to serve that agenda).

I certainly have no rabidly strong view on the weekly rounds - I think an issue has bubbled up recently and it's worthy of thought as to if the structure should be tweaked, but I have plenty issues with the RFL much bigger than that one....however, you say he's backed himself into a dead-end...but he hasn't - look at the League Cup in soccer: it's treated as fairly meaningless by fans of the big clubs, but they'd still go to watch the final if they got there. Right or wrong, there's no contradiction in what he's said there.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:50 pm  

RLBandit wrote:

...and...as expected...

No debate allowed. If you have any question or concern about any figures you hate Rugby League.

Right, fine Smokey, we get it. Keep taking the pills.

OK, moving on, for those with dummies still in their mouths.

It still seems to me that whilst neither method is perfect, a comparison of viewing figures makes more sense round-by-round than it does pair-by-pair; specifically, I'd expect to see the first version more strongly correlated with whatever the final figure is at the end of the season. ( The only 'right' answer is at the end of the year, but Smokey's wannabe-a-moderator BS notwithstanding, it seems OK to me to TALK about the figures so far).

I repeat the genuine question - does anyone know of anything that could account for that Leeds-Hull figure? Was something else big on the telly that night?

Leeds vs Hull on TV

2013 = 188,000 - Friday (Headingley)
2012 = 196,000 - Friday (Headingley) 98,000 - Saturday (KC)
2011 = 196,000 - Friday (KC) 154,000 - Friday (Headingley)
2010 = 138,000 - Saturday (KC)
2009 = 217,000 - Tuesday (Headingley) 147,000 - Saturday (KC)

Not much to read into that really, except maybe going on the Tuesday game figure that something like the Monday night thing they started last year could be a good idea for TV numbers.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:57 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Leeds vs Hull on TV

2013 = 188,000 - Friday (Headingley)
2012 = 196,000 - Friday (Headingley) 98,000 - Saturday (KC)
2011 = 196,000 - Friday (KC) 154,000 - Friday (Headingley)
2010 = 138,000 - Saturday (KC)
2009 = 217,000 - Tuesday (Headingley) 147,000 - Saturday (KC)

Not much to read into that really, except maybe going on the Tuesday game figure that something like the Monday night thing they started last year could be a good idea for TV numbers.

I was more puzzled by this really:

Leeds V Hull (Fri) Round 1 2013... Viewers=188,000
Widnes V Wakefield (Fri) Round 1 2012... Viewers=251,000

Why would Widnes v Wakefield be watched by so many more ( same round of competition )? No agenda-chasing here, I just genuinely don't get what's going on with those two numbers.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:01 pm  

RLBandit wrote:

Well I didn't know that was his "agenda" nor did I know it was one you were accusing him of.

(If I have an "agenda", I've been completely open about - I think Nigel Wood and most of the current RFL team are bad for the long-term future - but I still do not accept that because I happen to think that, therefore every post is automatically intended to serve that agenda).

I certainly have no rabidly strong view on the weekly rounds - I think an issue has bubbled up recently and it's worthy of thought as to if the structure should be tweaked, but I have plenty issues with the RFL much bigger than that one....however, you say he's backed himself into a dead-end...but he hasn't - look at the League Cup in soccer: it's treated as fairly meaningless by fans of the big clubs, but they'd still go to watch the final if they got there. Right or wrong, there's no contradiction in what he's said there.

Completely different things are Cup Finals and a weekly League so that's a poor comparision, Cup finals also include a trip down to Wembley and day out in London (providing the team doesn't already come from there) and for the likes of Bradford City fans maybe a once-in-a-lifetime chance to see them play and lift one of the major cups at Wembley. Whereas Warrington fans can and will attend the KC on a yearly basis no matter what.

So yes their still is a fairly big contradiction to what he said.

I also don't think every negative thought or comment about RL on here is to serve an agenda, I can just spot the ones that are. And credit to yourself because you've actually come out asking questions whereas others just keep with the ''it's cr@p'', ''it's a joke'', ''RL is doomed'' summarisation.