Re: Martin Offiah : Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:05 pm  

This thread is hilarious. People claiming it’s not fair that their club can’t spend the cap so the clubs that can should be penalised.

You can’t make it up. As I said, the haves are being penalised because of the have nots.

Just look at the sponsors on our game when Wigan were dominating compared to now. The biggest club in the country is sponsored by a shop for smack heads.

But sure, if it stops Wakefield and Salford going bust, it’s obviously working

Re: Martin Offiah : Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:19 pm  

Pat Bateman wrote:

Absolutely agree, it’s money dependant, in which a lot of clubs simply can’t compete ie my club Wakefield. In the NRL, even the bottom 3 clubs have Aus/ NZ internationals within their sides, but as you said they are pretty much all on an equal par financially (unlike over here).

That's the big difference. In the NRL you will see players one year playing for one of the top sides in the competition and a year later they are with a side who can't even make the play offs.

Super League has never really had a market where the top players are traded between all clubs.

You don't even see the top teams trade players. The best players tend to sign long term contracts at a club and then they either stay at one club for life or go to the NRL.

You even have players like Bateman and tomkins who went to the NRL and then when they return to SL they ended up back at the same club they left.

Re: Martin Offiah : Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:03 am  

TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:

The biggest club in the country is sponsored by a shop for smack heads.

We're sponsored by a sports app???

Re: Martin Offiah : Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:09 am  

TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:

This thread is hilarious. People claiming it’s not fair that their club can’t spend the cap so the clubs that can should be penalised.

You can’t make it up. As I said, the haves are being penalised because of the have nots.

Just look at the sponsors on our game when Wigan were dominating compared to now. The biggest club in the country is sponsored by a shop for smack heads.

But sure, if it stops Wakefield and Salford going bust, it’s obviously working

what is hilarious your club never mind your user name, Saints have won for the last 3 years and are favorites for next season yet you still whinging for more spend

without the have not's you as you put it you would have a small league

I do agree that the cap should of been link to inflation though that would of made sense but then we have had the marque introduced and the union dispensation

Re: Martin Offiah : Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:13 am  

Offiah is right, imo.

A quick google says the average wage in 2000 was around £18,500 p.a.
Average wage in 2021 is £38,000.

Salary cap should have at least, kept pace with this % rise.

As usual with all things RL, all though not exactly skint, the game is just about ekeing out a living and with a lack of innovative chairmen around, I can't see things improving any time soon.

Re: Martin Offiah : Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:17 am  

Ovavoo wrote:

As usual with all things RL, all though not exactly skint, the game is just about ekeing out a living and with a lack of innovative chairmen around, I can't see things improving any time soon.

What "innovation" are you looking for here?

Re: Martin Offiah : Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:39 pm  

snowie wrote:

anyway the salary cap worked it brought other clubs closer to the top, until it was introduced there was only one club winning Wigan not even the beloved saints or Leeds was could match them at that time, as a fan of a club destining not to see a title of any kind due to the of comps now I wonder what is the point of bothering of watching

yeah lets remove the cap it will be fun watch your rich clubs fight over couple of trophy's to see which one falls first

Not to mention that Wigan and Widnes (where Offiah played) took the game and themselves to the brink, something certainly had to change.
However, to have a cap that wasn't increased, at least in line with inflation was crazy, absolutely mad.
Mind you, despite the size of the salary cap, how many clubs are spending the full cap and utilising both Marque spots, which would suggest that it's lack of cash and not the cap that is the problem.

Re: Martin Offiah : Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:33 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Not to mention that Wigan and Widnes (where Offiah played) took the game and themselves to the brink, something certainly had to change.
However, to have a cap that wasn't increased, at least in line with inflation was crazy, absolutely mad.
Mind you, despite the size of the salary cap, how many clubs are spending the full cap and utilising both Marque spots, which would suggest that it's lack of cash and not the cap that is the problem.

St. Helens could spend the cap ten times over if they were allowed

Re: Martin Offiah : Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:55 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Not to mention that Wigan and Widnes (where Offiah played) took the game and themselves to the brink, something certainly had to change.
However, to have a cap that wasn't increased, at least in line with inflation was crazy, absolutely mad.
Mind you, despite the size of the salary cap, how many clubs are spending the full cap and utilising both Marque spots, which would suggest that it's lack of cash and not the cap that is the problem.

The Marquee spots are the problem if the problem is the general competetitiveness of the league. Rich clubs can add top players on the basis of them supposedly attracting fans to watch these individuals, seen best when Wally Lewis came over albeit that was before the marquee system. We know results draw fans and crowds certainly go up and down with team performances over a period of time. Players themselves can choose to sign on with a winning club rather that sometimes get more cash from a losing club with ambition. Not so rich owners may not spend up to the cap.

Even beyond this straight "money" isn't the only problem for a competetive league, well paid scouts of top clubs will seek out the best young talent in other clubs areas to get them into their academies. So when Leeds were a top side they looked to Oldham and Salford and picked up two top youngsters who served them well for years.

If the Superleague craves a more "even league" then maybe the long debate over going down to 2x10 clubs was part of that. If the Superleague craves more money then maybe they calculated 2x10 would have provided that.

Re: Martin Offiah : Sun Oct 31, 2021 11:17 am  

TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:

St. Helens could spend the cap ten times over if they were allowed

Well, good for them.
How many other clubs could match them, Warrington ?, there certainly aren't too many more.