Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:47 am  

Wanderer wrote:

It's still Hanley (whatever people may think about his personality).

Ellery may be the best player, but not the best Lf. Sculthorpe probably a better more skillful all round player, and had the size. Sinfield up there with the skill of Sculthorpe but a better leader game manager. Ellery was no game manager and had ltd all round passing kicking game.
Ellery was without doubt the most dangerous runner the game has ever seen. But he was never a classic loose forward. They played him there as it gave him the free reign/role rather than restricted at centre and never had the skill for a 6

Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:48 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Sinfield barely played loose forward for his last ten years.

As a puller of strings, a leader and as a winner, he was the best.

The last paragraph just sums Sinfield up.totally agree.

Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:50 am  

Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:

Paul Scunthorpe did not win the golden boot award, like Kevin Sinfield and Andy Farrell did

Kevin Sinfield never won the Man of Steel award...Paul Sculthorpe is the only player in history to win it 2 years in a row.

Also, Sinfield won the Golden Boot in a year where England won an international series playing against France and Wales whereas Australia played a 1-off game vs NZ at the end of the season and nothing more so wasn't really much competition for it.

As for exploits in an international shirt, Sculthorpe will be remembered for the game at Huddersfield vs Australia when he pretty much single handedly took the game to the Aussies and beat them in one of the best performances I've ever seen from one of our players in an international shirt. Sinfield will be remembered for shooting out of the line and missing Shaun Johnson in a World Cup semi final to cost us a place in the final.

Sinfield was a great leader and brought a lot to the Leeds side...you can't disagree how important he was to their success and should be respected for his achievements. But as all round players, both Sculthorpe and Farrell were a lot better and performed better at international level.

Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:34 am  

1. Sculthorpe (though it pains me to say it!)
2. Farrell
3. O'Loughlin
4. Sinfield

[Wanderer]

Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:23 am  

rollin thunder wrote:

Ellery may be the best player

Yep, the best this country has produced.

[Bullseye]

Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:44 am  

Not much to choose between them really. Farrell slightly better internationally but both were part of a poor era for GB/England.

Sculthorpe was as good as them both.

Hanley better than all three. Both domestically and internationally.

Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:47 am  

I don't think LF was eithers best position TBH. always thought Faz was a better no nonsense back row or prop and Sinfield had his best years at stand off for leeds.

If i had to pick as a LF i think Farrell was the better of the two. Hanley is the best in that position i have ever seen by a distance.

Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:58 am  

wakey_saint wrote:

Kevin Sinfield never won the Man of Steel award...Paul Sculthorpe is the only player in history to win it 2 years in a row.

Also, Sinfield won the Golden Boot in a year where England won an international series playing against France and Wales whereas Australia played a 1-off game vs NZ at the end of the season and nothing more so wasn't really much competition for it.

As for exploits in an international shirt, Sculthorpe will be remembered for the game at Huddersfield vs Australia when he pretty much single handedly took the game to the Aussies and beat them in one of the best performances I've ever seen from one of our players in an international shirt. Sinfield will be remembered for shooting out of the line and missing Shaun Johnson in a World Cup semi final to cost us a place in the final.

Sinfield was a great leader and brought a lot to the Leeds side...you can't disagree how important he was to their success and should be respected for his achievements. But as all round players, both Sculthorpe and Farrell were a lot better and performed better at international level.

I would agree Sculthorpe was a better all round player, and if it was not for injuries would have been the best player in the world, yes he did have a couple of good games internationally, but also limped round a few international games and failed to show up more than a few times as well. as for Farrell, did absolutely nothing at international level whatsoever, should not have even been i the side for anywhere near as long as he was never mind captain. complete myth that he had a good international career ultimate flat track bully. People overlook Sinfields international career (another myth) just to suit here agenda. Sinfield was nominate for golden boot twice don't forget, King wally Lewis himself rated him very highly and voted for him twice for Golden boot. but he do not let the facts cloud your judgement.

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Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:03 pm  

rollin thunder wrote:

I would agree Sculthorpe was a better all round player, and if it was not for injuries would have been the best player in the world, yes he did have a couple of good games internationally, but also limped round a few international games and failed to show up more than a few times as well. as for Farrell, did absolutely nothing at international level whatsoever, should not have even been i the side for anywhere near as long as he was never mind captain. complete myth that he had a good international career ultimate flat track bully. People overlook Sinfields international career (another myth) just to suit here agenda. Sinfield was nominate for golden boot twice don't forget, King wally Lewis himself rated him very highly and voted for him twice for Golden boot. but he do not let the facts cloud your judgement.

None of the three can really say they had a good career internationally however Farrell and Sculthorpe were both in sides that beat Australia albeit in one off games. Farrell was instrumental in the GB win over Australia at Old Trafford in 97 - did that slip your mind?

Not sure Sinfield was ever in a side that beat the Aussies.

There's not much between them really but if I had to choose I'd go for Sculthorpe at loose forward.

Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:36 pm  

JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:

It all depends upon the time frame: 20 years? 30 years? 50 years?

20 years: 1. Paul Sculthorpe, 2. Kevin Sinfield.
30 years: 1. Ellery Hanley, 2. Paul Sculthorpe, 3. Kevin Sinfield
50 years: 1. Ellery Hanley, 2. Malcolm Reilly, 3. Paul Sculthorpe, 4. Kevin Sinfield.

Andy Farrell was a star at the club level but never shone in international games. Therefore he could never be considered great, let alone the best.

Stick Steve Norton in there for that time frame and you might be taken seriously.