Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:47 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

your straw men really dont do your argument any favours.

You're obsessed with them - do you keep them with your Toy Story figurines?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:49 pm  

Its you who keeps building them, im just pointing them out.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:17 pm  

RLBandit wrote:

:lol: I tell you what - if you start a "Talking Up Rugby League" forum, I *promise* not to sign up. You can chat away without ever risking hearing a question, criticism, or anything at all to interfere with your enjoyment of watching the way this sport is run by its talented leaders.

Seriously though - that's the bit I don't get. I happen to find your relentless positivity - in the face of what I perceive (rightly or wrongly) as dreadful leadership - annoying. But so? That's my problem, not yours. Never once have I asked for (or even desired) that you lot shut up or get off the forum. There's something oddly defensive about people who seek to shout down an opinion by accusing the poster of hating the game or making pronouncements that the game is better without them. It's a defensiveness that could even suggest you might not quite believe your own positivity. When people aren't sure of themselves they tend to want the questioners to shut up and go away. Get a thicker skin, or have others assume you're not so sure about what you say.

Please explain why you've come out with this diatribe in response to what I consider a reasonable answer to a point that was raised, ie the ending of someone ranting.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:55 pm  

Hessle Roader wrote:

Please explain why you've come out with this diatribe in response to what I consider a reasonable answer to a point that was raised, ie the ending of someone ranting.

OK: you implied ( by any normal English interpretation of your words ) that we should 'clear off'. What you 'consider a reasonable answer' is what I consider a pathetic request that anyone you disagree with should shut their mouths. I thoroughly enjoy reading Smokey's comments despite vehemently disagreeing with them. I would no rather he 'clear off' than anyone else. If you want me to clear off, tell the moderators why, and you might get your way. Simple, innit.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:12 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Rounds 1 to 4 Fixtures (comparison between 2013 and 2011 - 24 fixtures, not including Widnes)
Total attendance in 2013 = 220,648 (Avg: 9,194)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2011 = 234,368 (Avg: 9,765)
% decrease = -5.85%

Mr William 'I was always picked lasted in P.E' Eve has got his numbers wrong,

Actually the CORRECT numbers are

2013 = 220,648 (9,194)
2011 = 227,468 (9,477)

And Bradford home games account for more than that difference

vs Wakey (10,263) - (12,835)
vs Cas'ford (7,724) - (14,348)
vs Saints (8,203) - (13,224)

Their's 14,217 accounted for right away........now we just have to work out why? Have Bradford had some off-field problems in the last 12 months that we've not heard about?????

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:14 pm  

RLBandit wrote:

OK: you implied ( by any normal English interpretation of your words ) that we should 'clear off'. What you 'consider a reasonable answer' is what I consider a pathetic request that anyone you disagree with should shut their mouths. I thoroughly enjoy reading Smokey's comments despite vehemently disagreeing with them. I would no rather he 'clear off' than anyone else. If you want me to clear off, tell the moderators why, and you might get your way. Simple, innit.

Firstly please don't try to put my words into my mouth. Nowhere did I say you should clear off (I offered this as a solution to the "rant" issue). For what its worth I don't disagree with you about the efforts (or lack of) by those in charge at the RFL, but they are not solely responsible for the state of the game. Much of the blame should also lie with the men in charge of the clubs, who seem to have a very parochial view and don't appear to have the greater good of the game at heart. Perhaps you should take off your "angry" hat and chill out a little. This is just a forum and whatever we say here will have little bearing on what actually happens.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:41 pm  

I remember the the Crusaders straw man. Oh and the Bradford one. Both burnt to a crisp on Wicker Island.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:31 pm  

littlerich wrote:

I remember the the Crusaders straw man. Oh and the Bradford one. Both burnt to a crisp on Wicker Island.

Was that the ' South ' Crusader or the ' North ' one ?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:49 pm  

Salford are doing a deal - buy one ticket get one free and Hull are doing a deal - bring a friend for a fiver.

Perhaps the clubs are more worried about attendances than the usual VT mafia are.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:59 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Mr William 'I was always picked lasted in P.E' Eve has got his numbers wrong,

Actually the CORRECT numbers are

2013 = 220,648 (9,194)
2011 = 227,468 (9,477)

And Bradford home games account for more than that difference

vs Wakey (10,263) - (12,835)
vs Cas'ford (7,724) - (14,348)
vs Saints (8,203) - (13,224)

Their's 14,217 accounted for right away........now we just have to work out why? Have Bradford had some off-field problems in the last 12 months that we've not heard about?????

There are more reasons why this comparison is absolute nonsense other than Mr Eve not being very good at maths.

Such as the most obvious one of deciding to pick two clubs and remove their attendances, because when those clubs are added back in we will see quite obviously that SL crowds have risen in the games played this year compared to 2011

Also the fact that the first four rounds of SL havent been played yet.

the fact that round 1 of 2011 was actually the magic weekend which means this isnt even a comparison between rounds 1-4 in both years but a comparison between what i assume are parts of rounds 2-5 in 2011 and part of round 1-4 in 2013.

There is no point let alone validity in Agent Provocatroll's figures, he may aswell have just picked numbers out of the air, which is pretty much what he did anyway.

At least it got the morons a bit giddy for a while and gave them a leader for their charabanc of idiocy.