Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:10 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

I take your point, and the Marquee signing allowance took your point into a reality, with Inglis, SBW and Folau now in Superleague.

Not sure I take your point as far as these top players getting a significant number of EXTRA kids interested across the board? If half of Superleague are easybeats then I can see kids not being bothered with the game in places like Wakey, Cas, Fartown etc......

Difficult one. Maybe we have the balance right as it stands?? ,

Possibly. But if clubs like those you name bring little to the game, then it's surely upto them to up their game or move aside and allow others to get a shot?

Personally, as a child growing up in the 70's and 80's, I was always more attracted to games involving the big 'star' names, such as Hull's kiwi contingent or when Brett Kenny or Mal Meninga came to town - I certainly remember when Wire signed Boyd/Tamati/Blake in the mid 80's, there was a huge buzz within the kids at school and can recall plenty of kids making their first visit to watch Wire at that time... Surely, the same scenario fits now, and in any era?

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:38 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

The scores might be close, but the product on the field is mediocre, because it's being held back by a lack of investment in youth development systems by some clubs and also a restrictive salary cap, which, bizarrely, many Yorkshire clubs were only recently proposing to cut even further.

Yes Toronto and Catalans they don’t have development one has TV money one wants it so at least 2/12 in Superleague rely on on other clubs to do it for them ... and then offer more money to lure them and get in the sh*t...

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:09 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

But that’s where you get it wrong. People do look at the facilities. If my missus went to a 1900s ground with run down toilets she wouldn’t go back. Multiply that and your crowds drop as kids don’t go cause mummy doesn’t go. Simplistic I accept but it’s fact.

Go on then, prove it.

Since SL was "created" by Uncle Mo, the following clubs have had new grounds:

Wigan
Saints
Wire
Hull FC
Catalan (not in the comp at the start)
Salford
Huddersfield (excellent ground, if a little too big for the RL club) - technically it was open pre SL
Hull KR (improved)
Leeds (improved
Cas (same old)
Trinity (same old plus Benidorm Flats & a couple of covered areas)

Can you tell me how many of these clubs have improved their attendances since the move to their new facilities and what effect these facilities have had on the TV deal -as a clue, the answer to the second part of the question is beggar all.

Dont get me wrong, I go to probably 10/11 away games every season (well used to when crowds were permitted) and I would much prefer going to modern stadia, I'm not arguing that point.
Where I take issue is the absolute bilge that gets thrown out, by people like yourself but, more so the Bulls fan, that suggested the lack of new facilities at Wakefield is "holding the game back", it's bloody nonsense.
The only thing that the ageing facilities are holding back at Wakefield is Wakefield Trinity (ditto Cas)

Increases in attendances tend to come with on field success not because of some plastic seating.
FWIW, I would always stand rather than sit (in a tight plastic seat) if there was an option - Wire is great for this reason - not having to constantly stand up and let people to/from the bar and to/from the toilets.

I'm not defending Trinity's ground, it desperately needs work and a lot of it.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:02 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Go on then, prove it.

Since SL was "created" by Uncle Mo, the following clubs have had new grounds:

Wigan
Saints
Wire
Hull FC
Catalan (not in the comp at the start)
Salford
Huddersfield (excellent ground, if a little too big for the RL club) - technically it was open pre SL
Hull KR (improved)
Leeds (improved
Cas (same old)
Trinity (same old plus Benidorm Flats & a couple of covered areas)

Can you tell me how many of these clubs have improved their attendances since the move to their new facilities and what effect these facilities have had on the TV deal -as a clue, the answer to the second part of the question is beggar all.

Dont get me wrong, I go to probably 10/11 away games every season (well used to when crowds were permitted) and I would much prefer going to modern stadia, I'm not arguing that point.
Where I take issue is the absolute bilge that gets thrown out, by people like yourself but, more so the Bulls fan, that suggested the lack of new facilities at Wakefield is "holding the game back", it's bloody nonsense.
The only thing that the ageing facilities are holding back at Wakefield is Wakefield Trinity (ditto Cas)

Increases in attendances tend to come with on field success not because of some plastic seating.
FWIW, I would always stand rather than sit (in a tight plastic seat) if there was an option - Wire is great for this reason - not having to constantly stand up and let people to/from the bar and to/from the toilets.

I'm not defending Trinity's ground, it desperately needs work and a lot of it.

The only person talking about the stadium is you. I suppose it adds to the sense of decrepitude but the much more significant issue is the lack of contribution to the actual competition over many decades. By competition I don't just mean the league and its structure but the competitiveness of the said competition.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:34 pm  

We must decide the proposition, its features and benefits. Then sell it to our broadcast partners, well thats what a real management team would do. We have a great opportunity but lack the skills to capitalise

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:57 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Possibly. But if clubs like those you name bring little to the game, then it's surely up to them to up their game or move aside and allow others to get a shot?

Who else do you believe should "get a shot"?

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:52 pm  

According to Tony Smith, Toronto are on the verge if being readmitted in 2021 and is one if the reasons Neil Hudgell is finally stepping down as he is disillusioned by the governing body and the decision making.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:14 am  

Gallanteer wrote:

According to Tony Smith, Toronto are on the verge if being readmitted in 2021 and is one if the reasons Neil Hudgell is finally stepping down as he is disillusioned by the governing body and the decision making.

it wouldn't surprise me and there's some blaming covid 19

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:49 am  

Gallanteer wrote:

According to Tony Smith, Toronto are on the verge of being readmitted in 2021 and is one if the reasons Neil Hudgell is finally stepping down as he is disillusioned by the governing body and the decision making.

Re-admitted to which league? SL, Championship or Championship One? Which governing body? The RFL or Superleague? They have no participation agreement for SL. They appear to be down to 13 players now? Which Tony Smith??

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:54 am  

snowie wrote: it wouldn't surprise me Does this surprise you good sir? https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... lub-buyout Hudge has been wanting out for years.

snowie wrote: it wouldn't surprise me Does this surprise you good sir? https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... lub-buyout Hudge has been wanting out for years.