Re: Joel Tomkins returns : Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:11 am  

Pemps wrote:

And the return of a big name back to RL. A good bit or PR for the sport.

A big name in RL? Surely you mean SL. The name has more to do with brother Sam than him. A dangerous attacker who could be a turnstyle in defense.

Re: Joel Tomkins returns : Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:12 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

that document is just depressing. If the game dies as a pro-sport, you can hold up that document as the reason why. Complete abdication of responsibility for anything.

What the chairmen want... This is why rule by committee never works. If the rfl told em all to clear off were making the rules, there'd be uproar, but we'd be better off for it.

Re: Joel Tomkins returns : Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:13 am  

pie.warrior wrote:

you also need to add on the £10k and £5k per player for club trained and club trained whilst there for players that are named in the Elite and Knights training squads which is still applicable for 2014

True but that is also capped at 50k - so there's 100k maximum - hardly much to write home about in the face of money from elsewhere!

Re: Joel Tomkins returns : Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:21 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

What the chairmen want... This is why rule by committee never works. If the rfl told em all to clear off were making the rules, there'd be uproar, but we'd be better off for it.

its a bit of a myth that this is what the chairmen want. That document is based upon a review conducted by Maurice Watkins and was prepared by Nigel Wood, Ralph Rimmer, Blake Solly, Sue Allen, Jon Grant and David Gent. Largely it deals with things outside of clubs control (i.e the complete abdication of responsibility for expanding the game, the removal of any responsibility for the game outside England, the removal of any responsibility to grow new clubs)

The only thing the SL clubs really had to vote on was the number of clubs in SL, that was pretty acrimonious and a fairly bad-tempered thing with people walking out and allegations from all sides. This new structure and these policies will not work if only because one side really doesnt want them, the other side is made up of clubs which have been 'bought off' with free money (and thats not even addressing the fact that a lot of its suggestions are contrradictory and counter-productive)

Re: Joel Tomkins returns : Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:36 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

its a bit of a myth that this is what the chairmen want. That document is based upon a review conducted by Maurice Watkins and was prepared by Nigel Wood, Ralph Rimmer, Blake Solly, Sue Allen, Jon Grant and David Gent. Largely it deals with things outside of clubs control (i.e the complete abdication of responsibility for expanding the game, the removal of any responsibility for the game outside England, the removal of any responsibility to grow new clubs)

The only thing the SL clubs really had to vote on was the number of clubs in SL, that was pretty acrimonious and a fairly bad-tempered thing with people walking out and allegations from all sides. This new structure and these policies will not work if only because one side really doesnt want them, the other side is made up of clubs which have been 'bought off' with free money (and thats not even addressing the fact that a lot of its suggestions are contrradictory and counter-productive)

And everything within the document had/ has to be voted on by the chairmen - you can lead a horse to water and all that...

The home grown cap cap is a classic example. An intelligent way to increase the cap, and encourages doing in so which is beneficial to England, chairmen end up taking a vote on "golden tickets" and an argument over marquee (without wanting to reopen that debate, read average Aussies) signings for so long it hasn't been able to be implemented... Imagine how long any suggestions of the rfl assuming more control would
last...

Re: Joel Tomkins returns : Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:48 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

And everything within the document had/ has to be voted on by the chairmen - you can lead a horse to water and all that...

The home grown cap cap is a classic example. An intelligent way to increase the cap, and encourages doing in so which is beneficial to England, chairmen end up taking a vote on "golden tickets" and an argument over marquee (without wanting to reopen that debate, read average Aussies) signings for so long it hasn't been able to be implemented... Imagine how long any suggestions of the rfl assuming more control would
last...

These are all RFL suggestions and they dont need to be voted on by the clubs.

This is typical of the Nigel Woods RFL. They suggest something, implement it, then simply say 'dont blame us guv' when the obvious deficiencies are pointed out

The home grown cap is a classic example of the fact that Nigel Woods RFL cannot think something through.

In Isolation a home grown exemption/reward makes sense. It incentivises clubs to do what we want.
In Isolation reducing the number of academies but increasing their funding to turn out better players makes sense.

But those two things arent compatible. Reducing the number of academies to 10, means only 10 clubs will be able to bring through the requisite number of players of the requisite quality. They will be the only clubs able to use the home-grown exemption to its fullest. They will then be rewarded by being able to spend more on players because of that. This will create a huge gap between the 10 clubs with academies and the 14 without. Where the 14 without simply cannot compete as they will have less money to spend on bringing more players in, whilst operating under the same cap but without the discounts.

Re: Joel Tomkins returns : Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:27 am  

It's good for RL and SL that Joel has returned!l

Re: Joel Tomkins returns : Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:38 am  

He probably won't worry about a big salary this year - as he'd of made in 3 years (especially as a member of the England Elite Squad) what he'd of earned in 7 or 8 years as a top level RL player.

Re: Joel Tomkins returns : Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:43 am  

Another who failed at Union. Watched him play a few times and looked woefully out of his depth

Regards

King James

Re: Joel Tomkins returns : Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:12 pm  

I can understand why Leeds fans are so devastated after that Wembley try.