Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:46 am  

As Leeds season ticket holder I am frustrated at the form the team show during the regular season. It is not through lack of effort, Leeds don't have a very deep squad and injuries have a significant impact whereby injured players have to play when they sometimes shouldn't.

If I went to the games purely for the quality I would be even more disappointed, but I don't - rugby is a form of entertainment I meet my kids and we have a social evening together with the Rhinos as a backdrop. They give us a mutual interest and we all know it is not a matter of life and death it is a game.

Perhaps we need to market the game differently to get fans going to games for other reasons than seeing their team win, God forbid it ever got like football where hundreds of thousands of single men go into a decline every Saturday their team loses as they sacrificed everything in their life for an opportunity to watch a round ball being kicked around by a few highly paid parasites 40 times a year.

All teams know the rules at the start of the season, the fact the likes of Wigan left their best form back in June should not in any way detract from Leeds' achievement. Wane was out coached a lesson he will have all winter to ponder on as will Tony Smith who I'm sure thought all they had to do was turn up.

This is an outstanding side - to win 5 finals in 6 in a salary cap sport - you know Leeds adhere to the numbers unlike some of their opponents - is a staggering achievement. No matter what you think about the play off system you have to admire the nerve and the skill to be able to turn up that many times and win when it really matters - shame so many on here cannot recognise that.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:35 am  

MjM wrote:

Not for the first time you've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of sport generally and the Leeds club in particular. You appear totally ignorant of the amount of pressure the players were under during that disastrous midseason spell, the amount of abuse McDermott was, once again, getting, the discussions being had at the top of the club as to how to solve it, the repeated player heart to heart meetings discussing how to turn around the disastrous form.

You also completely ignore the fact that that hellish run totally ****ed up any thoughts Leeds might have had of gaming the system in their favour just as Wigan and Warrington did. Because it meant, once again, that Sinfield and Peacock just couldn't be rested because, unlike Shaun Wane, McDermott couldn't risk anything like that in any game as playoff qualification was constantly on the line.

Claiming in any way that anyone at Leeds planned or enjoyed the poor run, aimed to finish fifth or was pleased in any way with what happened in the regular season is typical Pie eating delusion. But then a fair proportion of your support base appears to have become completely unhinged in recent times so perhaps we shouldn't be surprised.

What hellish run was that? By finishing 5th Leeds got to play the team who finished 8th, Wakefield, at home. Catalans, on the other hand, finished one place higher than Leeds in 4th, for which they were rewarded with an away fixture against the league leaders! In week 2 these teams meet each other but one has had a significantly more difficult fixture, away from home, than the other and has traveled from the south of France, to Wigan, then back again. People who can't see anything wrong with that sort of playoff system are deluding themselves imo.

I'm not saying that Leeds' path to the final was easy, but it certainly wasn't hellish and it wasn't the path that finishing 5th should force you to take, imo.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:43 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

This is an outstanding side - to win 5 finals in 6 in a salary cap sport - you know Leeds adhere to the numbers unlike some of their opponents - is a staggering achievement. No matter what you think about the play off system you have to admire the nerve and the skill to be able to turn up that many times and win when it really matters - shame so many on here cannot recognise that.

Can't argue with that. The system is what it is and Leeds have been the best at winning within that system.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:47 am  

First up, we can take nothing away from Leeds, who won the competetition according to the rules it was set up by.

Whether the competetion is set up correctly is another matter, and I'm pretty sure it's not, for the following reason:

RLs biggest challenge is, as it always has been in my living memory, media attention. From which follows sponsors, more fans, growth. The fact that we face clear bias isn't an excuse, as some suggest, to forget about it and accept defeat, rather it just increases the scale of the challenge in getting RL somewhere near the profile it deserves.

Here's the thing - its very hard to get attention without a steady stream of important games to keep interest up. If we only have one or two important games per year, no big media outlet will retain an RL reporter and even on the one day a year when League gets in the mainstream news, the fact that there's been no stories for a year means that people outside the game don't even know who the players are. It's like if I suddenly read a big piece about UK basketball's grand final ( presumably there is one ).

The most pressing thing RL's marketing needs to look at, is how to keep steady attention throughout a season. In this respect, a "Champions League", between the top fours of the NRL and SL, with group stages ( playing your two overseas away games in one trip, but otherwise fixtures spread out over months as in soccer) would be excellent.

Sadly, I think that's dreamland stuff. However in the mean time, the last thing we can afford is for the regular season to be reduced in importance. It's media suicide. Leeds have now twice in a row exposed the problem. Maybe its just end of season blues, but being honest I can't say I'm that enthusiastic about the new season...you see your team start to build what looks like an excellent playing unit, but those League points you get from a win don't matter all that much.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:54 am  

No offence but Champions should be the consistent team through the season and who are top.Imagine Liverpool winning champions tag from 5th?

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:59 am  

Shifty Cat wrote:

LOL which were these games that Leeds weren't trying to win in the regular season, it's frankly ludicrous to suggest they picked which games to show up for. They were just inconsistent simple as that, the thing is they know how to play at this end of the season.

hudds away last game of season lol...

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:04 am  

TheElectricGlidingWarrior wrote:

What hellish run was that? By finishing 5th Leeds got to play the team who finished 8th, Wakefield, at home. Catalans, on the other hand, finished one place higher than Leeds in 4th, for which they were rewarded with an away fixture against the league leaders! In week 2 these teams meet each other but one has had a significantly more difficult fixture, away from home, than the other and has traveled from the south of France, to Wigan, then back again. People who can't see anything wrong with that sort of playoff system are deluding themselves imo.

I'm not saying that Leeds' path to the final was easy, but it certainly wasn't hellish and it wasn't the path that finishing 5th should force you to take, imo.

Think you might want to re-read the post. He's talking about Leeds' mid-season slump which then meant that in the run in they could barely afford to lose a game in order to ensure a play-off spot.

Leeds peaked 3 times in the season - a true achievement...now if only we could win that bloody Challenge Cup Final

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:09 am  

Ideally RL would not need play offs, they tend to be used by sports that dont have an ' even ' regular season of games , but like most things in our sport whatever we do has a negative effect on something else

A play off system devalues the regular season, no play off means the season could be over for most clubs after a few weeks, licencing financially secures clubs at the lower end of SL, but also removes meaning to their games

There is no simple answer, and I doubt things are going to change any time soon, the sport is between a rock and a hard place with nowhere to go

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:29 am  

TheElectricGlidingWarrior wrote:

Can't argue with that. The system is what it is and Leeds have been the best at winning within that system.

The system is contrived to finish the season on a high note.
However the weekly rounds are the best attended games compared to the abysmal gates in the challenge cup and play-offs.
Winning the league (finishing top) should have, at least, equal status to winning the GF otherwise league games will become increasingly meaningless and the game will wither as a result.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:31 am  

Leeds dont go into any game wanting to lose, but they play at about 75% throughout the regular season to avoid burnout. Then when September comes around they turn it up a notch. It's called knowing the rules and playing to the system. What is the point of having a playoff system and then moaning afterwards when the "top" team doesnt win. Oh, and if say the playoffs did get changed to say top 4, I am almost certain Leeds would be pushing top 2 every year because as shown, when the big games come around at the end of the season, they are as good as everyone.