Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:20 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

So were Catalan....but they don't fit your pit village plan for the game!

And Leigh were relegated and failed miserably in SL and finished bottom. Oh wait a minute, Catalans finished bottom also.

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:22 pm  

Headhunter - do you attend Rugby League matches? Do you consider yourself to be a fan of any particular club?

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:25 pm  

keighley1 wrote:

And Leigh were relegated and failed miserably in SL and finished bottom. Oh wait a minute, Catalans finished bottom also.

And unlike Leigh they had a three year advance notice that they were going to be in SL, were able to plan and recruit accordingly and still finished bottom.

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:26 pm  

keighley1 wrote:

And Leigh were relegated and failed miserably in SL and finished bottom. Oh wait a minute, Catalans finished bottom also.

Catalan also finished last in 2006 but a pit village who were promoted to SL finished above them were relegated instead.

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:27 pm  

keighley1 wrote:

Tell what position Huddersfield are in this season. They were promoted to SL. Tell if Hull KR have made the top eight. They were promoted. Castleford are above several appointed SL clubs. They were promoted and the same goes for Wakefield.

So your thesis isn't proven. Promoting a championship club is not likely to result in a less competitive teams.

On the other hand London were artificially placed in SL. How have they been doing this last few years.

Quite right. Also Hull and Salford were promoted from the division below.

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:30 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Didn't Catalan finish 14th and last in 2010? Just behind London in 13th?

Yep....then made the play offs the following 3 years whilst London continued to be hamstrung by the cost of living in the south and the RFL's ignorance of good business practice in forcing Ian Lenegan to stop investing in the club, leaving us in the hands of a hobbyist with not a clue how to run a sports business.
The benefit to us having the hobbyist by the way is that London are 100% debt free....not even an overdraft whilst Wakefield are doing a Bradford, Bradford are doing a Bradford and there are other clubs in the north not looking too clever. Fev's owners offer of 7 figures in escrow is about as much use as a chocolate tea-pot.....Modern Clubs need to have an income of 5 million minimum...7 if they want to challenge for honours!

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:24 am  

We don't want to challenge for honours to begging with. Survival has to be the target first year.... Gradually building slowly to increase expectations to a top half finish. With a food coach even a part time club can beat a full time club, look at when we best Cas. We could compete to finish mid table with the other bottoms clubs then build slowly on this progress.

As a fan, that is what would get me excited about being in superleague for the first season, the chance of staying up like hull kr.

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Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:51 am  

So is headhunter still blatantly dodging the question as to which team he supports?

Oh yes, he sure is.

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:12 am  

It's not the club he supports that's important - it's whether he attends any matches in the guise of a diehard fan. I'm not saying he isn't allowed an opinion if he isn't a fan but it would explain a lot if he came out and said "actually, I don't watch any games and my heart doesn't belong to any one club".

His posts and his attitude answer my question to be honest. It's obvious and his lack of understanding about club Rugby League and the passions that run through these clubs from Chairmen to fans is something that is completely alien to him. He's only feeling half the story.

Travelling 200 mile round journeys on a cold wet afternoon and shovelling hard cash through the turnstile window gives you a different perspective on the game than the one Headhunter thinks exists. 37 Chairmen and countless club officials wouldn't exist for a start. Without that passion this sport wouldn't exist and yes, maybe that's a big part of the problem as passion and romance often gets in the way of sensible business decisions. But that's Rugby League and it's something that Headhunter clearly can't understand and it's something that the franchise system clearly cannot cater for.

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:35 am  

He is a RL fan, not a lifelong supporter of any particular club, he doesnt have those colours running through his veins , he doesnt feel the emotion, the hurt , the elation , to quote a famous scribe " He is more machine than man now "

But as I posted yesterday, watching newly promoted Crystal Palace fans stood singing for 90 minutes yesterday, it is raw emotion that runs proffessional ( ie paying to watch ) sport, it is that which pays for it

Rugby Union is different in that its history hasnt had a century of rivalry between clubs, therefore it is less emotional than football and RL, even American sports all being relatively modern and not being localised dont produce the same feelings

We are what we are, we have what we have, its no use wishing for what you dont have, but we can and should be working much harder to improve all that we do have, no matter what the structure is, because it seems to me this is just another attempt to find a magical silver bullet to solve all our problems

It wont