Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:23 pm  

HXSparky wrote:

That wasn't my point. I'm very happy for on-field performances to dictate which league teams play in. My point was that some clubs have made promises as part of their licence applications, and IF we do return to licensing then the criteria (of which stadium facilities would only be one) should require some substance behind them, if necessary with firm deadlines in place to meet them.

I would much rather Fax regain a place in SL by winning it on the field. Whether that ever happens in my lifetime is debatable, but I can but live in hope.

Then we agree.

My point, perhaps badly made, was that the club NEVER made the promises so widely repeated on social media.

They never said they would play 50% (or all TV games), at Oakwell.

The club never promised to build at ground at Pugneys/Durkar/Thornes Park/Newmarket, or indeed now Belle Vue. They were all other people's schemes (WMDC/Yorkcourt/Pearman/Caddick/SirRW/Manny Hussein) - and ALL seemingly designed to make certain individuals get very much richer, very quickly, by taking advantage of WT.

Make no mistake, the mis-management that for decades, undermined WT (the loss of the Theatre Club, pulling down a wooden stand (which wasn't actually wooden), losing the ground to the control of WMDC, Pearman promising the world, then doing a runner, Richardson mortgaging the club for personal gain, etc, etc, etc.), are all the fault of the club, or whoever has been at the helm at the time.

Please don't make the mistake of believing that Carter is mugging people off. He is extremely principled and should be supported in his ongoing battles, to deliver what many think WT "promised" - i.e. other people's promised and legal obligations.

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:14 pm  

dboy wrote: Then we agree. My point, perhaps badly made, was that the club NEVER made the promises so widely repeated on social media. They never said they would play 50% (or all TV games), at Oakwell. The club never promised to build at ground at Pugneys/Durkar/Thornes Park/Newmarket, or indeed now Belle Vue. They were all other people's schemes (WMDC/Yorkcourt/Pearman/Caddick/SirRW/Manny Hussein) - and ALL seemingly designed to make certain individuals get very much richer, very quickly, by taking advantage of WT. Make no mistake, the mis-management that for decades, undermined WT (the loss of the Theatre Club, pulling down a wooden stand (which wasn't actually wooden), losing the ground to the control of WMDC, Pearman promising the world, then doing a runner, Richardson mortgaging the club for personal gain, etc, etc, etc.), are all the fault of the club, or whoever has been at the helm at the time. Please don't make the mistake of believing that Carter is mugging people off. He is extremely principled and should be supported in his ongoing battles, to deliver what many think WT "promised" - i.e. other people's promised and legal obligations. So these 2 reports by Dave Hadfield http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 84624.html and http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 80793.html were making things up?

dboy wrote: Then we agree. My point, perhaps badly made, was that the club NEVER made the promises so widely repeated on social media. They never said they would play 50% (or all TV games), at Oakwell. The club never promised to build at ground at Pugneys/Durkar/Thornes Park/Newmarket, or indeed now Belle Vue. They were all other people's schemes (WMDC/Yorkcourt/Pearman/Caddick/SirRW/Manny Hussein) - and ALL seemingly designed to make certain individuals get very much richer, very quickly, by taking advantage of WT. Make no mistake, the mis-management that for decades, undermined WT (the loss of the Theatre Club, pulling down a wooden stand (which wasn't actually wooden), losing the ground to the control of WMDC, Pearman promising the world, then doing a runner, Richardson mortgaging the club for personal gain, etc, etc, etc.), are all the fault of the club, or whoever has been at the helm at the time. Please don't make the mistake of believing that Carter is mugging people off. He is extremely principled and should be supported in his ongoing battles, to deliver what many think WT "promised" - i.e. other people's promised and legal obligations. So these 2 reports by Dave Hadfield http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 84624.html and http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 80793.html were making things up?

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:09 pm  

Go on then, point out where the club/Richardson say that.

He quotes Richardson extensively, but the bit about Oakwell is entirely unattributed.

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:52 pm  

Mr Dog wrote: So these 2 reports by Dave Hadfield http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 84624.html and http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 80793.html were making things up? You said that, not us. But I suspect that the lack of a direct quote regarding the club playing all televised games or 50% of their games, or whatever else at Oakwell should tell you what you need to know. Seems that some folk will believe whatever a journalist chooses to publish. Personally I don't think those articles from 20 years ago hold any more credibility than the ones currently being published. Both sets lack any quotes from Wakefield Trinity that back up what the journos are claiming as fact. You choose to believe what you like, I'll choose to believe what I like. In my opinion Michael Carter is a far more honest and honourable man than Peter Box and nothing that anybody says will convince me otherwise.

Mr Dog wrote: So these 2 reports by Dave Hadfield http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 84624.html and http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 80793.html were making things up? You said that, not us. But I suspect that the lack of a direct quote regarding the club playing all televised games or 50% of their games, or whatever else at Oakwell should tell you what you need to know. Seems that some folk will believe whatever a journalist chooses to publish. Personally I don't think those articles from 20 years ago hold any more credibility than the ones currently being published. Both sets lack any quotes from Wakefield Trinity that back up what the journos are claiming as fact. You choose to believe what you like, I'll choose to believe what I like. In my opinion Michael Carter is a far more honest and honourable man than Peter Box and nothing that anybody says will convince me otherwise.

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:56 pm  

Fordy wrote:

You said that, not us. But I suspect that the lack of a direct quote regarding the club playing all televised games or 50% of their games, or whatever else at Oakwell should tell you what you need to know.

Seems that some folk will believe whatever a journalist chooses to publish. Personally I don't think those articles from 20 years ago hold any more credibility than the ones currently being published.
Both sets lack any quotes from Wakefield Trinity that back up what the journos are claiming as fact.

You choose to believe what you like, I'll choose to believe what I like. In my opinion Michael Carter is a far more honest and honourable man than Peter Box and nothing that anybody says will convince me otherwise.

With no statement coming from MC or WT regarding the latest development then the only thing people have to look at and believe is the statement from Wakey Council. A simple statement from the club stating they are in conversation with their legal team etc. would have been enough but unless i'm mistaken there's been nothing.

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:28 pm  

LifeLongHKRFan wrote:

With no statement coming from MC or WT regarding the latest development then the only thing people have to look at and believe is the statement from Wakey Council. A simple statement from the club stating they are in conversation with their legal team etc. would have been enough but unless i'm mistaken there's been nothing.

You are mistaken there was a statement and they are speaking with their lawyers

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:40 pm  

Fordy wrote: You said that, not us. But I suspect that the lack of a direct quote regarding the club playing all televised games or 50% of their games, or whatever else at Oakwell should tell you what you need to know. Seems that some folk will believe whatever a journalist chooses to publish. Personally I don't think those articles from 20 years ago hold any more credibility than the ones currently being published. Both sets lack any quotes from Wakefield Trinity that back up what the journos are claiming as fact. You choose to believe what you like, I'll choose to believe what I like. In my opinion Michael Carter is a far more honest and honourable man than Peter Box and nothing that anybody says will convince me otherwise. ....and they were still planning to play some games at Oakwell in 1999..... http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... is_raised/

Fordy wrote: You said that, not us. But I suspect that the lack of a direct quote regarding the club playing all televised games or 50% of their games, or whatever else at Oakwell should tell you what you need to know. Seems that some folk will believe whatever a journalist chooses to publish. Personally I don't think those articles from 20 years ago hold any more credibility than the ones currently being published. Both sets lack any quotes from Wakefield Trinity that back up what the journos are claiming as fact. You choose to believe what you like, I'll choose to believe what I like. In my opinion Michael Carter is a far more honest and honourable man than Peter Box and nothing that anybody says will convince me otherwise. ....and they were still planning to play some games at Oakwell in 1999..... http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... is_raised/

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:03 pm  

Mr Dog wrote: ....and they were still planning to play some games at Oakwell in 1999..... http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... is_raised/ Nope, that quite clearly says that the Bulls hoped to play a game v Wakey at Oakwell. Stuart Farrar (Wfd), when quoted, makes no such mention. Try again.

Mr Dog wrote: ....and they were still planning to play some games at Oakwell in 1999..... http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... is_raised/ Nope, that quite clearly says that the Bulls hoped to play a game v Wakey at Oakwell. Stuart Farrar (Wfd), when quoted, makes no such mention. Try again.

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:07 pm  

I'll add more...it's an urban myth.

The same as evidenced a couple of posts earlier, when someone says "if only Wakey said they were taking legal advice"...erm, they have.

WMDC announced to the world in a press release that WT had walked away from talks...that was a bit of a shock to Carter who was actually on holiday abroad. Mr Wallhead may be needing a libel lawyer himself very soon.

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:28 pm  

LifeLongHKRFan wrote: With no statement coming from MC or WT regarding the latest development then the only thing people have to look at and believe is the statement from Wakey Council. A simple statement from the club stating they are in conversation with their legal team etc. would have been enough but unless i'm mistaken there's been nothing. Fill your boots https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/rugby ... urt-latest http://www.totalrl.com/wakefield-trinit ... igh-court/ https://wakefieldtrinity.com/club-statement/

LifeLongHKRFan wrote: With no statement coming from MC or WT regarding the latest development then the only thing people have to look at and believe is the statement from Wakey Council. A simple statement from the club stating they are in conversation with their legal team etc. would have been enough but unless i'm mistaken there's been nothing. Fill your boots https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/rugby ... urt-latest http://www.totalrl.com/wakefield-trinit ... igh-court/ https://wakefieldtrinity.com/club-statement/