Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:47 pm  

Starbug wrote:

You dont mention the contradiction, you stated that on field shouldnt decide who is in SL, then say its the most important thing

Make your mind up

It isn't a contradiction. SL should be full of teams that are capable of being competitive. Promoted teams are unlikely to be competitive, they have to assemble a squad from scratch at short notice. Clubs with extremely saturated catchment areas are also lot less likely to be competitive, which is what we're talking about with the majority of Championship clubs. Promoting the winning Championship team each years is far more likely to result in uncompetitive teams than a sustainable system. It also means that the Championship will have one dominant club every year.

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:48 pm  

Crystal Palace shouldn't be in the Premier League. They're too small. They'll never win it and they'll never be as big as Man U.

That's the mantra round here isn't it?

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:54 pm  

Starbug wrote:

So were f***ed then arent we

Just watched Crystal Palace play Sunderland at a packed to the rafters Selhurst Park ,the Eagles fans didnt stop singing all match

The romance of sport

But football is totally different because of the nature of the sport, and because Crystal Palace are a full-time operation that are bigger than most if not all of the SL clubs. They are portrayed as minnows because football is so dominant but the reality is that their turnover is likely to be considerably more than all the RL Championship teams put together. It's not a relevant example at all. The equivalent in football would be like promotion and relegation between the Championship and the Blue Square Conference.

And yeah, clubs like Leigh aren't ever going to be competitive in Super League. They were promoted and got absolutely smashed every week, and that's probably the best they can hope for in terms of their ceiling. If you think otherwise then you're kidding yourself.

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:56 pm  

headhunter wrote:

It isn't a contradiction. SL should be full of teams that are capable of being competitive. Promoted teams are unlikely to be competitive, they have to assemble a squad from scratch at short notice. Clubs with extremely saturated catchment areas are also lot less likely to be competitive, which is what we're talking about with the majority of Championship clubs. Promoting the winning Championship team each years is far more likely to result in uncompetitive teams than a sustainable system. It also means that the Championship will have one dominant club every year.

So once again, where's your options?

And why is what youve put at the end a problem ?

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:00 pm  

headhunter wrote:

But football is totally different because of the nature of the sport, and because Crystal Palace are a full-time operation that are bigger than most if not all of the SL clubs. They are portrayed as minnows because football is so dominant but the reality is that their turnover is likely to be considerably more than all the RL Championship teams put together. It's not a relevant example at all. The equivalent in football would be like promotion and relegation between the Championship and the Blue Square Conference.

And yeah, clubs like Leigh aren't ever going to be competitive in Super League. They were promoted and got absolutely smashed every week, and that's probably the best they can hope for in terms of their ceiling. If you think otherwise then you're kidding yourself.

Their turnover will likely be more than the whole of SL, never mind the Championships, and why is that?

Because football lives on raw emotion, because that is what sport is based on, lose that, and your sport is dead

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:12 pm  

headhunter wrote:

There aren't any, that's why the proposed new system is nonsense. Replacing clubs that struggle to compete with even weaker clubs with less potential isn't progress. I don't support any of the 'top clubs' so I'm not sure what you are talking about in regards to that, but surely you can understand that having uncompetitive clubs in Super League isn't a good thing. And yes, there are two uncompetitive clubs at the moment. One will be competitive next year (Salford), and the other probably won't exist (London). Regardless, Super League is being reduced to 12 teams and we probably have 12 or 13 competitive clubs ATM, so the idea of relegating one of those clubs and replacing them with an uncompetitive club is totally illogical. If you seriously think that Featherstone can be competitive without reducing the standards of the league then good luck to you, and I hope you're right. What I don't want to see is standards at the top being reduced so that clubs such as Featherstone are able to compete, which is what some people on this forum seem to be advocating.
Like I said, if you honestly believe that Featherstone and similar clubs can compete without standards in Super League being reduced to allow it, then good luck to you. I think you're in for a rude awakening though. Surely you can agree though that limiting the standard of Super League and holding back development to allow the likes of Featherstone to compete would be a bad thing?

Wakefield, Hull KR, Castleford, London, and recently Salford are or have been in financial trouble. Huddersfield, leeds, Widnes, Wigan, Hull and Warrington rely on cashed up investors. Don't you think it's time the game woke up and realised that it cannot compete as a fully professional organisation. The game might just have to downsize to survive.

As such, clubs such as Featherstone, Halifax and Leigh might be the norm for SL not the exception.

The SL is in serious danger of implosion. Unless the big boys agree to some form of revenue sharing and that's not even remotely a possibility, then there must be some lowering of standards to ensure survival.

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:51 pm  

Cas haven't been in "financial trouble".

We haven't been into administration, nor have we needed bailing out.

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:00 pm  

headhunter wrote:

It isn't a contradiction. SL should be full of teams that are capable of being competitive. Promoted teams are unlikely to be competitive, they have to assemble a squad from scratch at short notice. Clubs with extremely saturated catchment areas are also lot less likely to be competitive, which is what we're talking about with the majority of Championship clubs. Promoting the winning Championship team each years is far more likely to result in uncompetitive teams than a sustainable system. It also means that the Championship will have one dominant club every year.

Tell what position Huddersfield are in this season. They were promoted to SL. Tell if Hull KR have made the top eight. They were promoted. Castleford are above several appointed SL clubs. They were promoted and the same goes for Wakefield.

So your thesis isn't proven. Promoting a championship club is not likely to result in a less competitive teams.

On the other hand London were artificially placed in SL. How have they been doing this last few years.

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:10 pm  

keighley1 wrote:

On the other hand London were artificially placed in SL. How have they been doing this last few years.

So were Catalan....but they don't fit your pit village plan for the game!

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:20 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

So were Catalan....but they don't fit your pit village plan for the game!

Didn't Catalan finish 14th and last in 2010? Just behind London in 13th?