Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:29 am  

PopTart wrote:

They are not imaginary people.
If the games were on different days but one ticket covered both, would you count them then?

The only way you could get a more accurate number is if you could work out how many left after the first game, but even then, they paid for a ticket.
No one says that you can't count the guy that came through the gate 5 minutes late because he wasn't in his seat.

Average takings could be worked out by event because there is only one opportunity to buy but attendance is people who were there, regardless of when they arrived or left.

Yes, in the same way that a ST is counted in a club attendance figure even if the person didn't attend. It would be 45k higher than actual people though, because under Smokey's method the total attendance on Saturday would've been 90 thousand. 90 thousand people weren't there.

Basically for the double headers there are 3 ways of calculating average attendances:

1 - double the actual attendance and treat them as 2 games (current average around 27k)
2 - divide the total attendance by 2 and treat them as 2 games (current average around 16.5k)
3 - treat the total figure for the event as one game (current average around 22k)

To me, it is an absolute no-brainer that 3 is the fairest, most accurate way to do it. I definately don't have any sort of agenda and I'm not trying to make the figures look better or worse than they actually are. 45 thousand people bought one ticket to watch 2 games on Saturday. 22,500 didn't buy a ticket for one game, then another 22,500 for the 2nd game. 45,000 people also didn't buy 2 tickets.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:31 am  

WARRIORCRAIG wrote:

A season ticket is a ticket for every game, so really doesn't compare to this situation.

the double header ticket was a ticket for every game in the double header. It is exactly the same.

There are other multi-match offers. I can buy a special offer for both headingley games. If i do that is only one of my attendances counted? You could buy an offer which entitled you to every england game the quarters, semi and final. If you did so would your attendance only be counted once?

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:32 am  

WARRIORCRAIG wrote:

Yes, in the same way that a ST is counted in a club attendance figure even if the person didn't attend. It would be 45k higher than actual people though, because under Smokey's method the total attendance on Saturday would've been 90 thousand. 90 thousand people weren't there.

Basically for the double headers there are 3 ways of calculating average attendances:

1 - double the actual attendance and treat them as 2 games (current average around 27k)
2 - divide the total attendance by 2 and treat them as 2 games (current average around 16.5k)
3 - treat the total figure for the event as one game (current average around 22k)

To me, it is an absolute no-brainer that 3 is the fairest, most accurate way to do it. I definately don't have any sort of agenda and I'm not trying to make the figures look better or worse than they actually are. 45 thousand people bought one ticket to watch 2 games on Saturday. 22,500 didn't buy a ticket for one game, then another 22,500 for the 2nd game. 45,000 people also didn't buy 2 tickets.

Nobody is doubling the actual attendance. Nobody is saying 90k attended anything. Simply 45k attended 2 things. Which unarguably they did.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:33 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

31375 is the average after 4 games. an average 22499 attended the 3 events.

Halving the double header just gives a nonsense figure which isn’t representative of anything other than some peoples wish to ignore a good RL crowd.

Of the 4 games played the stated attedances were 45052, 45052, 7481, 14965. Two of the those games were part of a double header. There wasn’t any attendance of 22526.

Dividing those figures you've quoted by 4 comes to 28138, so I wouldn't be questioning anyone else's basic maths!

I've seen 2 figures quoted for the NZ v Samoa match in multiple write-ups, one is the 14965 and another 13,965, what actually was it?

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:36 am  

Errlee Berd wrote:

I only buy one season's pass a year, yet my attendance is counted 13 times, not once.

People who went to Cardiff bought one ticket, but attended two games. Half didn;t disappear after one game with the other half arriving.

I'm not sure why RL fans are so eager to do the sport down, other sports do the exact same thing regarding double-headers.

Both good points - I'm sure other sports do exactly this.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:36 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

the double header ticket was a ticket for every game in the double header. It is exactly the same.

There are other multi-match offers. I can buy a special offer for both headingley games. If i do that is only one of my attendances counted? You could buy an offer which entitled you to every england game the quarters, semi and final. If you did so would your attendance only be counted once?

You can buy those tickets separately though!!! Surely you can see the difference?
You coiuldn't physically purchase just an England v Australia ticket, or just a Wales v Italy one. Whether you stayed for both games or not is irrelevent.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:39 am  

WARRIORCRAIG wrote:

You can buy those tickets separately though!!! Surely you can see the difference?
You coiuldn't physically purchase just an England v Australia ticket, or just a Wales v Italy one. Whether you stayed for both games or not is irrelevent.

Averaging the ticket sales and averaging the match attendances are 2 different things?

If you want to average the ticket sales for the world cup, then by all means it's fair to split it. If we are averaging the amount of physical people in attendance, then there is no need to halve the attendance, because those people (for the most part atleast) physically watched both games.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:45 am  

WARRIORCRAIG wrote:

You can buy those tickets separately though!!! Surely you can see the difference?
You coiuldn't physically purchase just an England v Australia ticket, or just a Wales v Italy one. Whether you stayed for both games or not is irrelevent.

Yes, whether you stayed for both games is irrelevant, because you bought a ticket for both games. The same as if you bought a season ticket and didnt attend a game it would be irrelevant because you had bought a ticket for it.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:55 am  

Has anyone been able to get through to the ticket hotline? Keep getting told to call back later.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:58 am  

WARRIORCRAIG wrote:

Dividing those figures you've quoted by 4 comes to 28138, so I wouldn't be questioning anyone else's basic maths!

I've seen 2 figures quoted for the NZ v Samoa match in multiple write-ups, one is the 14965 and another 13,965, what actually was it?

14,965 was the one given out at the game.