Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:07 am  

gutterfax wrote:

16,624 average so far after 4 games.....compared to 15,097 after the first 4 games of 2008 so about 10% ahead of the game.

31375 is the average after 4 games. an average 22499 attended the 3 events.

Halving the double header just gives a nonsense figure which isn’t representative of anything other than some peoples wish to ignore a good RL crowd.

Of the 4 games played the stated attedances were 45052, 45052, 7481, 14965. Two of the those games were part of a double header. There wasn’t any attendance of 22526.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:19 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

There wasn’t any attendance of 22526.

Bingo!

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:23 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

31375 is the average after 4 games. an average 22499 attended the 3 events.

Halving the double header just gives a nonsense figure which isn’t representative of anything other than some peoples wish to ignore a good RL crowd.

Of the 4 games played the stated attedances were 45052, 45052, 7481, 14965. Two of the those games were part of a double header. There wasn’t any attendance of 22526.

Couting the double header twice also gives a nonsense figure FWIW. The 22k figure you have quoted is the current average.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:35 am  

No it doesn’t, it gives the actual average attendance of the games. The 22k average requires us to ignore that the Wales Italy game happened at all.

There have been 4 games. Those 4 games had 4 attendances. If you want the average attendance of those 4 games, add the 4 of them together and divide them by 4.

If you want something else, you can have something else. But I can assure you unless you add the 4 attendances, and divide by 4 it wont be the average attendance of those 4 games. It will be something else.

Very basic maths will tell you that you cannot find an average of 4 attendances by dividing by 3.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:56 am  

I only buy one season's pass a year, yet my attendance is counted 13 times, not once.

People who went to Cardiff bought one ticket, but attended two games. Half didn;t disappear after one game with the other half arriving.

I'm not sure why RL fans are so eager to do the sport down, other sports do the exact same thing regarding double-headers.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:04 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

No it doesn’t, it gives the actual average attendance of the games. The 22k average requires us to ignore that the Wales Italy game happened at all.

There have been 4 games. Those 4 games had 4 attendances. If you want the average attendance of those 4 games, add the 4 of them together and divide them by 4.

If you want something else, you can have something else. But I can assure you unless you add the 4 attendances, and divide by 4 it wont be the average attendance of those 4 games. It will be something else.

Very basic maths will tell you that you cannot find an average of 4 attendances by dividing by 3.

But there wasn't 40 odd thousand at Eng v Aus, then another 40 odd thousand at Wales v Italy. Equally there weren't 22,500 at the fitst game, then they all got up and left and another 22,500 came in for game 2. The true average can only be worked out by dividing by the number of games that you are able to buy tickets for. The double headers are one event, and therefore should be treated as one. Dividing attendance figures by 2 or counting the attendance twice massively under or overstates the actual figures.

By your method the Magic Weekend attendance figures would be 30k multiplied by 4 for day 1 added to 30k x 3 for day 2, then divided by 7 to say that there were 30k at every match. What really happens is the total figures for each day are quoted, as the 2 days are treated as separate events, because you can buy tickets separately for each day.

Your method adds 45,000 imaginery people to the total attendance figures.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:06 am  

Errlee Berd wrote:

I only buy one season's pass a year, yet my attendance is counted 13 times, not once.

People who went to Cardiff bought one ticket, but attended two games. Half didn;t disappear after one game with the other half arriving.

I'm not sure why RL fans are so eager to do the sport down, other sports do the exact same thing regarding double-headers.

A season ticket is a ticket for every game, so really doesn't compare to this situation.

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Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:14 am  

WARRIORCRAIG wrote:

But there wasn't 40 odd thousand at Eng v Aus, then another 40 odd thousand at Wales v Italy. Equally there weren't 22,500 at the fitst game, then they all got up and left and another 22,500 came in for game 2. The true average can only be worked out by dividing by the number of games that you are able to buy tickets for. The double headers are one event, and therefore should be treated as one. Dividing attendance figures by 2 or counting the attendance twice massively under or overstates the actual figures.

By your method the Magic Weekend attendance figures would be 30k multiplied by 4 for day 1 added to 30k x 3 for day 2, then divided by 7 to say that there were 30k at every match. What really happens is the total figures for each day are quoted, as the 2 days are treated as separate events, because you can buy tickets separately for each day.

Your method adds 45,000 imaginery people to the total attendance figures.

They are not imaginary people.
If the games were on different days but one ticket covered both, would you count them then?

The only way you could get a more accurate number is if you could work out how many left after the first game, but even then, they paid for a ticket.
No one says that you can't count the guy that came through the gate 5 minutes late because he wasn't in his seat.

Average takings could be worked out by event because there is only one opportunity to buy but attendance is people who were there, regardless of when they arrived or left.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:15 am  

Regardless of whether it was all on one ticket or not. there where 2 matches. With 2 attendences.

So if John Smith watches the first game then stays for the second game his attendance for one of the games shouldn't count?... is that what you are saying here?


Whether it was 2 for the price of one or how much tickets cost is irrelevant, 40 odd thousand people where sat in that stadium for England V Australia, And I'd imagine a similar amount where in there to watch Wales v Italy. So why claim both games had an attendance of 22,000 for each game when that just isn't the case?


Back on a more positive not, Game at rochdale declared a sell out, Went to the game last night and going to this one. If it's half as good it will be a brilliant game.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:28 am  

WARRIORCRAIG wrote:

But there wasn't 40 odd thousand at Eng v Aus, then another 40 odd thousand at Wales v Italy. Equally there weren't 22,500 at the fitst game, then they all got up and left and another 22,500 came in for game 2. The true average can only be worked out by dividing by the number of games that you are able to buy tickets for. The double headers are one event, and therefore should be treated as one. Dividing attendance figures by 2 or counting the attendance twice massively under or overstates the actual figures.

By your method the Magic Weekend attendance figures would be 30k multiplied by 4 for day 1 added to 30k x 3 for day 2, then divided by 7 to say that there were 30k at every match. What really happens is the total figures for each day are quoted, as the 2 days are treated as separate events, because you can buy tickets separately for each day.

Your method adds 45,000 imaginery people to the total attendance figures.

No, you are wrong. The number of events you can buy tickets for is a different thing to the number of games. If you want an average of tickets sold for the number of events you can buy tickets for then you can have an average number of tickets sold per event currently that’s 22499. But this is a different thing to the average attendance. The average attendance is the average number of people to attend a game. For us to work out the average number of people to attend a game we need to take the cumulative number of people who attended a game and divide it by the number of games. That number is currently 28137.

It doesn’t add 45k imaginary people at all. That is just incorrect. Those people existed, they were real. We have pictures. We can prove those people were real and we can prove they were there. 45052 was the stated attendance for England v Australia, 45052 was the stated attendance for Wales v Italy. They may have been the same people but that is irrelevant, we aren’t measuring how many different people watched how many different games. We haven’t discounted those who attended both England and Australia and NZ v Samoa or those who attended both Wales v Italy and PNG v France, so we wont discount those who watched both England v Australia and Italy v Wales.

If you want a true and representative number, one free from bias and spin then the only option is to use figures as they are, none being stripped out, the pure unadulterated figures. They are as follows.
Match 1 attendance 45052
Match 2 attendance 45052
Match 3 attendance 7481
Match 4 attendance 14965.

If you want an average of these you divide the sum (45052+45052+7481+14965) by the count (1+1+1+1), this gives you an average of 28137, that is the average amount of people, in the stadium watching those games.