Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:36 am  

William Eve wrote:

Wigan won the 14 team Championship on points difference ahead of St Helens, who got their revenge by beating Wigan in the Top 8 Premiership Trophy Final 10-4. Leeds finished 5th (no surprises there) but weren't rewarded for their mediocrity back then... Around the same period, Castleford thrashed Wigan 33-2 in the Regal Final, Widnes thrashed Leeds 24-0 the year before... is it any wonder a Leeds fan like you despises that era? ... Wakefield won the Yorkshire Cup and Featherstone earned promotion on merit by finishing top of Division 2.

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What were the attendances for games that year?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:38 am  

William Eve wrote: Aye lad... things were backwards around 20 years ago. GB underook a full tour which included PNG, Aus and NZ. There were 103,000 in attendance at the three ashes tests... 41,000 in Sydney, 31,000 in Melbourne (famously won 33-10 by GB) and 32,000 in Brisbane for the decider won by Aus 16-10. Then there was the RLWC Final at Wembley attended by 75,000. Then there was the 140,000+ attendances for the Ashes Series not long after... 57,000+ at Wembley, 44,000+ at Old Trafford and almost 40,000 at Elland Road. There is no reason that these things wont happen now. We play more internationals, in more countries than we did before. The international game is in probably the best health it has ever been. Wigan won the 14 team Championship on points difference ahead of St Helens, who got their revenge by beating Wigan in the Top 8 Premiership Trophy Final 10-4. Leeds finished 5th (no surprises there) but weren't rewarded for their mediocrity back then... Around the same period, Castleford thrashed Wigan 33-2 in the Regal Final, Widnes thrashed Leeds 24-0 the year before... is it any wonder a Leeds fan like you despises that era? ... Wakefield won the Yorkshire Cup and Featherstone earned promotion on merit by finishing top of Division 2. And sadly, next to nobody watched. Terrible backwards era it was though... a game played by muddy, pot-bellied players on boggy pitches in decrepit stadia surrounded by cobbled streets, flat-cappers, whippets and advertisements for Hovis Bread! Richard Lewis always said so about the era preceding Sooper Dooper League and it's lovely jubbly licensing ideology therefore it must be true that things really were that bad back in't day but it's really fantastic now. Your agenda is as boring as it is stupid.

William Eve wrote: Aye lad... things were backwards around 20 years ago. GB underook a full tour which included PNG, Aus and NZ. There were 103,000 in attendance at the three ashes tests... 41,000 in Sydney, 31,000 in Melbourne (famously won 33-10 by GB) and 32,000 in Brisbane for the decider won by Aus 16-10. Then there was the RLWC Final at Wembley attended by 75,000. Then there was the 140,000+ attendances for the Ashes Series not long after... 57,000+ at Wembley, 44,000+ at Old Trafford and almost 40,000 at Elland Road. There is no reason that these things wont happen now. We play more internationals, in more countries than we did before. The international game is in probably the best health it has ever been. Wigan won the 14 team Championship on points difference ahead of St Helens, who got their revenge by beating Wigan in the Top 8 Premiership Trophy Final 10-4. Leeds finished 5th (no surprises there) but weren't rewarded for their mediocrity back then... Around the same period, Castleford thrashed Wigan 33-2 in the Regal Final, Widnes thrashed Leeds 24-0 the year before... is it any wonder a Leeds fan like you despises that era? ... Wakefield won the Yorkshire Cup and Featherstone earned promotion on merit by finishing top of Division 2. And sadly, next to nobody watched. Terrible backwards era it was though... a game played by muddy, pot-bellied players on boggy pitches in decrepit stadia surrounded by cobbled streets, flat-cappers, whippets and advertisements for Hovis Bread! Richard Lewis always said so about the era preceding Sooper Dooper League and it's lovely jubbly licensing ideology therefore it must be true that things really were that bad back in't day but it's really fantastic now. Your agenda is as boring as it is stupid.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:33 pm  

Just found a game HKR v Wigan in 1995 that had 3000 at it. Would seem these glory eras didn't extend to crowds?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:28 pm  

JB Down Under wrote:

Just found a game HKR v Wigan in 1995 that had 3000 at it. Would seem these glory eras didn't extend to crowds?

Hull KR were in the 2nd division in 1995 and didn't play Wigan.

The attendance at the game you are referring to was 3,026 and was during season 1993/94 and played on 10/04/1994. Hull KR lost 10-21. The attendance was poor because Hull KR were utterly crap and were relegated that season.

There were 7,610 in attendance for that fixture during the 1991/92 season when Hull KR finished a more respectable 9th. In 1990/91 season, the attendance was 5,642 (Hull KR just avoided relegation in 11th). In 1988/89 season the attendance was 5,526 (a season when Hull KR were relegated). Then there were attendances of 9,130 in 1982/83 season, 7,017 in 1983/84 season, 7,609 in 1984/85 season, 9,456 in 1985/86 season, 7,693 in 1986/87 season... etc.

7,894 in attendance in 2013.

I can see why your agenda would single out an isolated attendance for that particular fixture which just happened to be the poorest you could find.

But don't forget to keep repeating that agenda-driven Super League era mantra that hardly anyone/next to nobody attended any games prior to it's existence.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:39 pm  

1.4m people watched any game governed by the Rugby Football league during 1993. With two rounds to go, 1.42m people have watched a Super League game this year.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:03 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

1.4m people watched any game governed by the Rugby Football league during 1993.

That can't be right surely?

Earlier you said "next to nobody watched" the game back then.

Could you provide the source for your 1993 attendance figure of 1.4 million along with a simple breakdown of that figure... number of fixtures... average attendance... did that figure include Challenge Cup attendances? Attendances at other cup competitions? Thanks in anticipation.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:24 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

The international game is in probably the best health it has ever been.

Missed this pearler of yours earlier.

It deserves a response so here it is --------------->

SmokeyTA wrote:

Your agenda is as boring as it is stupid.

"Rugby League used to be a winter sport until we moved it to summer. That transformed it from a game of muddy players on boggy pitches to the fast, spectacular, skilful game we see today" - Richard Lewis in 2010.

"Sadly, the principal marketing strategy of Super League and summer rugby appears to have been... 'The game used to be crap, now it's great'... Richard de la Riviere (Rugby League - A Critical History 1980-2013)

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:26 pm  

That’s the figure for all league games under the RFL umbrella. A total of 550 games over that season over 3 divisions. That would result in an average of 2545.

This is compared to 1.4m people going to watch 175 SL games.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:27 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Missed this pearler of yours earlier.

It deserves a response so here it is --------------->

It doesn’t surprise me that the spreadsheet attention whore is a one nation agenda pusher who thinks international RL starts and stops with his Ocker fantasies.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:38 pm  

Smokey resorts to insults when he's losing the plot.

No surprises there