Re: Hardaker : Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:16 pm  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

Whilst all the time, the big black cloud that is Zak Hardaker hangs over the club, waiting to self-destruct at any given moment.
I’m afraid “Lenners” has already fallen into the trap of giving Hardaker more than one last chance. He’s done it on the naive belief that Zak will change and it’s understandable given his on-field ability. The trouble is that the chances of Hardaker changing are remote.

Soz to upset you after the nilling in the semis but without the said black cloud, we are the Champs..

Lenners is the house and we have plenty of cover for that position, in fact, a grand final winning Full-Back currently in the centres.

Lenners is the man, he makes the right calls, just look at his record as the Wigan Chairman...

Re: Hardaker : Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:20 pm  

Ziggy Stardust wrote:

Soz to upset you after the nilling in the semis but without the said black cloud, we are the Champs..

Lenners is the house and we have plenty of cover for that position, in fact, a grand final winning Full-Back currently in the centres.

Lenners is the man, he makes the right calls, just look at his record as the Wigan Chairman...

Fully deserved champions too.
I don’t really understand the rest of your post though (are you Ali G?).

Re: Hardaker : Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:24 pm  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

Fully deserved champions too.
I don’t really understand the rest of your post though (are you Ali G?).

Get outta the bushes and check Lenners record..

Re: Hardaker : Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:37 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

Quite ‘classy’ of Wigan to try shift some of the blame on his former clubs.

Leeds sent him to anger management to no apparent avail and had him doing coaching with LGBT rugby teams after his homosexual insult incident. Maybe Leeds could’ve sent him to rehab for his drinking but maybe it wasn’t at the same level in 2014/15/16 as it is now in 2018 and him not being able to play.

What makes you think he isn't including Wigan in that comment? Either way don't you think that SOME of the blame lies with previous clubs if he feels it was something that should already have been dealt with? I can't really see your objection to this comment except as a 'it's not our fault guv!' type of hand washing exercise.

As I see it there are only 2 schools of thought. Firstly that it's all his own fault and no club, previous or current, is to blame or secondly that the clubs have a duty of care and should do all in their power to help. This is IL's published opinion and, as such, the 'could/should have already been addressed' is surely fair comment?

Re: Hardaker : Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:45 am  

Phuzzy wrote:

What makes you think he isn't including Wigan in that comment? Either way don't you think that SOME of the blame lies with previous clubs if he feels it was something that should already have been dealt with? I can't really see your objection to this comment except as a 'it's not our fault guv!' type of hand washing exercise.

As I see it there are only 2 schools of thought. Firstly that it's all his own fault and no club, previous or current, is to blame or secondly that the clubs have a duty of care and should do all in their power to help. This is IL's published opinion and, as such, the 'could/should have already been addressed' is surely fair comment?

No it’s a tactic designed purely to spin the story toward “Wigan does right by its people, other clubs don’t” instead of “Wigan retain Hardaker despite previously saying it’s his last chance and are only doing it because he’s a good player”.

I don’t really have a problem with Wigan not sacking him. But if that’s the case then Lenagan shouldn’t have said previously it’s his last chance if he’s not prepared to sack him when something happens and Lenagan shouldn’t be criticising other clubs without evidence for it.

Re: Hardaker : Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:26 am  

Lets see how well he performs when he eventually gets on the team we all know he's been good but maybe he's heading for being a has been

Re: Hardaker : Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:35 am  

Him wrote:

No it’s a tactic designed purely to spin the story toward “Wigan does right by its people, other clubs don’t” instead of “Wigan retain Hardaker despite previously saying it’s his last chance and are only doing it because he’s a good player”.

I don’t really have a problem with Wigan not sacking him. But if that’s the case then Lenagan shouldn’t have said previously it’s his last chance if he’s not prepared to sack him when something happens and Lenagan shouldn’t be criticising other clubs without evidence for it.

I get that this is your view and that's fine but could you point me in the direction of where it says 'other clubs' as I can't find it. Let's face it, you can read what you want into practically anything but if we stick to what was actually said it includes Wigan as it merely says that it could have been addressed before now and we signed him months ago.

Re: Hardaker : Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:58 pm  

Him wrote:

No it’s a tactic designed purely to spin the story toward “Wigan does right by its people, other clubs don’t” instead of “Wigan retain Hardaker despite previously saying it’s his last chance and are only doing it because he’s a good player”.

I don’t really have a problem with Wigan not sacking him. But if that’s the case then Lenagan shouldn’t have said previously it’s his last chance if he’s not prepared to sack him when something happens and Lenagan shouldn’t be criticising other clubs without evidence for it.

Spot on. It’s the same kind of spin he used when signing him originally boasting of how good their club is with player welfare etc. and that blew up in his face with this latest incident.

Wonder why they didn’t send Joel Tomkins to rehab for drinking.

Re: Hardaker : Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:53 pm  

Maybe it was the alleged bribe to keep the video from surfacing, or maybe he refused offer of help. Who really knows but it makes you wonder, same with Sam signing for Catalans.

Re: Hardaker : Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:49 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Spot on. It’s the same kind of spin he used when signing him originally boasting of how good their club is with player welfare etc. and that blew up in his face with this latest incident.

Wonder why they didn’t send Joel Tomkins to rehab for drinking.

Joel's form was pretty average since he came from rugby union. I think Wigan saw it as an opportunity to move him on to be honest.