Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:21 pm  

Dave Lister wrote:

Having read this entire thread, I can confirm that SmokeyTA is completely correct in stating what he has. Who can blame him for no longer wishing to engage with such obvious, bitter drivel.

...and log out... now log back in... job done.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:22 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Top 6 would have been decided about a month before the end of the season. It would have left us with 4 rounds where 8 teams had nothing to play for.

Thats the problem, superleague is dumbed down to keep 5th to 8th ticking over, where quantity displaces quality.
Should be top 3 in my opinion, top straight to final 2 v 3 for the other final spot.
It just might mean the 27 games might be more competitive, create a minor trophy play off for 4th to 8th if the RFL are clever enough to convince Sky.
Bring back credibility to league position.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:33 pm  

OFFTHECUFF wrote:

No offence but Champions should be the consistent team through the season and who are top.Imagine Liverpool winning champions tag from 5th?

How many teams qualify for the CHAMPIONS league?

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:36 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Top 6 would have been decided about a month before the end of the season. It would have left us with 4 rounds where 8 teams had nothing to play for.

Well maybe the teams who aimed for a "top 8 " spot would try a little bit harder. I agree with a top 6 format. REAL reward for aiming for the top (one game from GF or you have to lose 2 in a row to be out).

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:17 pm  

Just a bit of fun working out all the win ratios during the regular season from the eventual grand final winners:

1998 Wigan 91.3% (1st)
1999 St Helens 76.6% (2nd)
2000 St Helens 82.1% (2nd)
2001 Bradford 78.5% (1st)
2002 St Helens 82.1% (1st)
2003 Bradford 78.5%) (1st)
2004 Leeds 85.7% (1st)
2005 Bradford 64.2% (3rd)
2006 St Helens 85.7% (1st)
2007 Leeds 66.6% (2nd)
2008 Leeds 77.7% (2nd)
2009 Leeds 77.7% (1st)
2010 Wigan 81.4% (1st)
2011 Leeds 55.5% (5th)
2012 Leeds 59.2% (5th)

For some perspective - Warrington finished with a 81.4% winning ratio in 2011, and Wigan finished top this year with a ratio of 77.7%

Q/ Did Bradford winning it from 3rd in 2005 cause much uproar?

(edit: thanks judd)

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:45 pm  

RL13 - Edit the 2007 season before you get jumped on it was won by Leeds.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:42 pm  

It's generally all sour grapes.

I still go to as many league games as I can because I enjoy watching rugby league. It's sport it's entertainment and I like to go. I know quite well one of the Leeds players who assures me that they don't aim to be poor at the start of the year and they want to win every game, they do aim to peak in September and as a result of training might be a bit off the mark but they do NOT sit around and think we will aim for 5th as its easy. People know the rules and Leeds are the rightful champions.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:38 pm  

RL13 wrote:

Q/ Did Bradford winning it from 3rd in 2005 cause much uproar?

No because it was Saints and Leeds who finished above them not Wigan

Both sides took it on the chin, nuckled down and dominated the subsequent years (well ignoring 2006 in Leeds' case)

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:39 pm  

mikej wrote:

Well maybe the teams who aimed for a "top 8 " spot would try a little bit harder. I agree with a top 6 format. REAL reward for aiming for the top (one game from GF or you have to lose 2 in a row to be out).

I agree with going back to this.

Still,Leeds could finish 5th again in that system and if they perform like they did in the last 2 playoff series, just as easily walk away with the crown.

Leeds know what it takes to get through the playoffs and win a grand final.Its up to the other teams to raise to that level when it Matters also.Which they have been unable to do the last 2 years.

No amount of tweaking with the system will change this fact.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:46 pm  

RL13 wrote:

Just a bit of fun working out all the win ratios during the regular season from the eventual grand final winners:

1998 Wigan 91.3% (1st)
1999 St Helens 76.6% (2nd)
2000 St Helens 82.1% (2nd)
2001 Bradford 78.5% (1st)
2002 St Helens 82.1% (1st)
2003 Bradford 78.5%) (1st)
2004 Leeds 85.7% (1st)
2005 Bradford 64.2% (3rd)
2006 St Helens 85.7% (1st)
2007 Leeds 66.6% (2nd)
2008 Leeds 77.7% (2nd)
2009 Leeds 77.7% (1st)
2010 Wigan 81.4% (1st)
2011 Leeds 55.5% (5th)
2012 Leeds 59.2% (5th)

For some perspective - Warrington finished with a 81.4% winning ratio in 2011, and Wigan finished top this year with a ratio of 77.7%

Q/ Did Bradford winning it from 3rd in 2005 cause much uproar?

(edit: thanks judd)

Just to add some context, here's the NRL
1998 Brisbane 75% (1st)
1999 Melbourne 67% (3rd)
2000 Brisbane 69% (1st)
2001 Newcastle 62% (3rd)
2002 Sydney 63% (4th)
2003 Penrith 75% (1st)
2004 Canterbury 79% (2nd)
2005 Wests 58% (4th)
2006 Brisbane 58% (3rd)
2007 Melbourne 88% (1st) - stripped of title
2008 Manly 71% (2nd)
2009 Melbourne 58% (4th) - stripped of title
2010 St George 71% (1st)
2011 Manly 75% (2nd)
2012 Melbourne 71% (2nd)