Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:04 am  

What's RU got do with it? Why not compare our attendances to global Ice Hockey teams while you're at it?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:26 am  

Tre Cool wrote:

What's RU got do with it? Why not compare our attendances to global Ice Hockey teams while you're at it?

He's a Union troll, what do you expect he would compare us to. I am sure if RL teams had made up the top ten places he wouldn't have bothered putting that list together.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:46 am  

JB Down Under wrote:

He's a Union troll, what do you expect he would compare us to. I am sure if RL teams had made up the top ten places he wouldn't have bothered putting that list together.

I can assure you he's not a union troll. But yes it is a completely pointless list.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:21 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

List of the top 80+ professional clubs around the world and their attendances in the season ended or just about to end.....
2 League clubs in the top 10 and no SL club inside the top 20.

Not sure what the RFL are going to do about it, but they do need to look long and hard at the bottom 25% which contains 8 current SL team....with Salford and London being beaten down by the 2 mickey poor Scottish clubs and one of the Italian Club sides


Harlequins 21,046

This jumped out. How the hell do they calculate average attendance in the RFU? The capacity of The Stoop is only 14800. I make Quins home league average 13763 and their home HC average 13489 (which are not to be sniffed at admittedly). I suppose they include the Twickenham Stadium games which slant the figures somewhat.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:29 pm  

Kevs Head wrote:

This jumped out. How the hell do they calculate average attendance in the RFU? The capacity of The Stoop is only 14800. I make Quins home league average 13763 and their home HC average 13489 (which are not to be sniffed at admittedly). I suppose they include the Twickenham Stadium games which slant the figures somewhat.

If Leeds took a big game to Elland Road they could include that, or if Saints took a big game to Anfield they could include that. It's a shame our clubs don't have more imagination sometimes.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:55 pm  

Tre Cool wrote:

If Leeds took a big game to Elland Road they could include that, or if Saints took a big game to Anfield they could include that. It's a shame our clubs don't have more imagination sometimes.

I said when Bradford were stripped of £600k the RFL should have said to every club, go out find a big stadium to play a home game in, market the hell out of it and we will underwrite it (including the loss of income from a home game) with this £600k. If you make a profit you get half, and half goes back in to the pot for next year.

For example,

Lets say Leeds usually get income of roughly £300k from a home game. It costs £150k to rent elland road for the day , and Leeds absolutely blitz the place with marketing that one specific game (cost £100k). So there is £550k spent. Leeds sell 33k tickets at an average of £15 = £495k, + corporate, additional sponsorship, concessions (which wouldn’t be too good at a rented ground) etc. Lets be conservative and say they bring in another £150k from everything else. Overall match income would be £645k. £550k goes straight back in to the RFL pot, 95k is profit, RFL have another £47250 to add in to the pot, Leeds take home £347250.

Saints then have £647250 in the pot which they use to try and sell out Anfield or Goodison park. Possibly move the HKR home derby to St James’ park and market the hell out of it sell 50k tickets to a game which would otherwise get 9k.

6 teams do it one year, the other 6 the next, one every couple of weeks throughout June/July and August when the football season is finished.

Im not going to defend those figures because they may be way out, but its just supposed to be illustrative, but if every game did nothing more than break even, we would have a self-perpetuating pot of money we were using to market high profile, high visibility, high attendance, attention grabbing games

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:21 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Queue a thousand angry HKA fans decrying the fact they are 68th out of 83......and that I haven counted their travelling millions

or...

JB Down Under wrote:

He's a Union troll, what do you expect he would compare us to. I am sure if RL teams had made up the top ten places he wouldn't have bothered putting that list together.

BTW.....I believe a Union Troll would slag off the game RL in preference to the game of Union. Good luck finding such a post of mine on here....I simply despair at the way League is run as a business, specifically in the northern hemisphere, but because I compare it to unions management (to an outsider, both games are very similar so the comparison is a valid one) I am a troll.

JB......the NRL is not Superleague ans visa versa. The fact that 2 of the teams in the bottom 25% of that "pointless, but reactive" list will make the SL Play-offs is a major concern to TV execs and SL club owners as well as the RFL.....or if it isn't, then it bloody well should be.

BTW.....I think Salford will have to spend 10 x Morleys wages on marketing to get back to 5k averages next year.......going to games is a habit that is hardtop get people back into.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:09 am  

BTW.....I believe a Union Troll would slag off the game RL in preference to the game of Union

just about sums you up. Just look two posts ago where you posted RL v RU attendances. Why did you bother putting that list together unless it was to show the supposed superiority of RU over RL. Why not compare all sports, why just choose Union?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:25 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

I said when Bradford were stripped of £600k the RFL should have said to every club, go out find a big stadium to play a home game in, market the hell out of it and we will underwrite it (including the loss of income from a home game) with this £600k. If you make a profit you get half, and half goes back in to the pot for next year.

For example,

Lets say Leeds usually get income of roughly £300k from a home game. It costs £150k to rent elland road for the day , and Leeds absolutely blitz the place with marketing that one specific game (cost £100k). So there is £550k spent. Leeds sell 33k tickets at an average of £15 = £495k, + corporate, additional sponsorship, concessions (which wouldn’t be too good at a rented ground) etc. Lets be conservative and say they bring in another £150k from everything else. Overall match income would be £645k. £550k goes straight back in to the RFL pot, 95k is profit, RFL have another £47250 to add in to the pot, Leeds take home £347250.

Saints then have £647250 in the pot which they use to try and sell out Anfield or Goodison park. Possibly move the HKR home derby to St James’ park and market the hell out of it sell 50k tickets to a game which would otherwise get 9k.

6 teams do it one year, the other 6 the next, one every couple of weeks throughout June/July and August when the football season is finished.

Im not going to defend those figures because they may be way out, but its just supposed to be illustrative, but if every game did nothing more than break even, we would have a self-perpetuating pot of money we were using to market high profile, high visibility, high attendance, attention grabbing games

Wonderful post, fantastic idea!!

But, like the panic button the SL chairmen have hit by restructuring the game, short term greed means that most of them, if presented with the above text, will have stopped reading at "market the hell out of it" and said "no thanks, just give us the money".

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:03 am  

That is the most disappointing thing about it. That £600k could have been used to benefit the game, instead 40k has just disappeared in to the black hole of the clubs finances.

In fact, ridiculously, for the Wigans, Leeds, Wires of this world who make a profit, we have literally just given Caddick, Lenegan, and Moran £40k to put in their back pocket because Bradford went bust. I don’t think we could have found a worse use for it than the one we settled on.