Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:14 pm  

GansonTheClown wrote:

So nothing to do with summer rugby then?

Summer rugby... Translation: rugby in June/July as opposed to Dec/Jan... the game has paid a huge price in terms of lack of interest, lower attendances and lower profile of RL internationals, Challenge Cup and the Championship tiers. The SL play-offs have suffered even more in terms of poor attendances since the introduction of the current licenced 14 teams, Top 8 play-offs.

My opinion is that the game continues to pay way too high a price in order to accommodate a mere two months worth of meaningless regular season SL fixtures, because that is all the switch to a summer season amounts to... 7 or 8 rounds of meaningless SL. Leeds for instance don't even bother waking up until August, and don't start playing for real until September!

GansonTheClown wrote:

Or do you think if we go down to 12 teams, top 5 play-off and P&R we'll be fine?

It's a better structure than the failed version of licensed mediocrity that we currently have.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:28 pm  

William Eve wrote: Yes they have. Reference: Chapter 6. Im sure you can provide us with the figures to prove that fewer people are attending challenge cup, international and lower league games as a whole. You clearly have the time to, and are telling us you are able to. Crack on………….

William Eve wrote: Yes they have. Reference: Chapter 6. Im sure you can provide us with the figures to prove that fewer people are attending challenge cup, international and lower league games as a whole. You clearly have the time to, and are telling us you are able to. Crack on………….

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:29 pm  

William Eve wrote:

It's a better structure than the failed version of licensed mediocrity that we currently have.

So why did fewer people watch it?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:33 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote: Im sure you can provide us with the figures to prove that fewer people are attending challenge cup, international and lower league games as a whole. You clearly have the time to, and are telling us you are able to. Crack on…………. I've provided the reference above. If it's too hard for you to research the reference, just say so. Perhaps you might like to crack on with providing figures for this earlier assertion of yours? No? Thought not.

SmokeyTA wrote: Im sure you can provide us with the figures to prove that fewer people are attending challenge cup, international and lower league games as a whole. You clearly have the time to, and are telling us you are able to. Crack on…………. I've provided the reference above. If it's too hard for you to research the reference, just say so. Perhaps you might like to crack on with providing figures for this earlier assertion of yours? No? Thought not.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:55 pm  

William Eve wrote: I've provided the reference above. If it's too hard for you to research the reference, just say so. Its your assertion, you prove it. Perhaps you might like to crack on with providing figures for this earlier assertion of yours? No? Thought not. Ask and you shall recieve Blake Solly said: "2013 will also see more commercial income flow into Rugby League than at any time in its history and with a growing stable of sponsors and partners on board, the sport is approaching the new season with confidence.

William Eve wrote: I've provided the reference above. If it's too hard for you to research the reference, just say so. Its your assertion, you prove it. Perhaps you might like to crack on with providing figures for this earlier assertion of yours? No? Thought not. Ask and you shall recieve Blake Solly said: "2013 will also see more commercial income flow into Rugby League than at any time in its history and with a growing stable of sponsors and partners on board, the sport is approaching the new season with confidence.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:07 pm  

UPDATE...
SL Round 24 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year

Salford V Leeds in 2013 = 3,235
Salford V Leeds in 2012 = 6,891
% decrease = -53.05%

St Helens V London in 2013 = 9,926
St Helens V London in 2012 = 13,262
% decrease = -25.15%

Wigan V Huddersfield in 2013 = 19,620
Wigan V Huddersfield in 2012 = 16,771
% increase = +16.99%

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:42 pm  

JB Down Under wrote:

Shush don't tell gutters, he thinks other sports are riding the crest of an Olympic wave whilst SL is being left behind

the only figures that are important to RL are 11.5% down in the Superleague and 15.5% down in the challenge cup......the only comp I found that had comparable losses in the last 18 months was League 1 which suffered as Sheffield Wednesday went up and the Heineken Cup that had 30,000 missing seats at it's final.

SmokeyTA wrote:

The RFL brought in more sponsorship money from having numerous different sponsors than they did from having 1 single sponsor.

I am so looking forward to the release of the 2011/2012 and 2012/2013 RFL accounts........Engage paid 1.7 million a year.......if the foxy bingo et al generate that level of cash, then I'm a chinaman

They generated more cash than last year.....that's for sure , but seriously....do you think any of these smaller sponsors are paying up front hard cash in decent amounts you need your head looking at.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:46 pm  

BogBrushHead wrote:

For those citing attendances at football as an indication that it's only RL that's suffering, outside of a small handfull of Prem clubs, there are discounts galore and very few sellouts over the past few years. Prime example was last weekends Burnley v Blackburn .... local derby, opening fixture of a new season, hyped to death by Sky, tickets priced at £15 (50% discount) yet attendance was just over 12,000 ...... down from 21,000 last season!

I'll bet there isn't a thread similar to this in Tartball Land screaming about the complete collapse of Championship level football.

People simply haven't got money to throw at any league based sports events week after week - they are holding money back for one-off games.

Think you might want to re-read that. It was actually Burnley vs Bolton, not Blackburn. Aside from the first 1,250 tickets which were priced at £12.50 (subsidised by the Football League as part of the 125th anniversary), the cheapest match tickets were £28 and the game was an unattractive 12.15 kick off live on telly.

I actually get a little tiresome of this "football is so expensive" lark. My Leigh season ticket cost £200 for 13 games, my Bolton one has cost £295 for 23 games. RL is truly in danger of pricing itself out of the market.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:39 pm  

Leyther_Matt wrote:

RL is truly in danger of pricing itself out of the market.

What would you consider a fair price for a SL season Ticket? I believe the average walk up price is about 20 notes....personally, I believe a ST holder should be charged at about a tenner a game.....any more than that and I believe people decide to pick and choose what games to go to and attendances suffer.

6500 ST holders at 180 a pop or 9,000 at 130.......I'd rather have the 9,000 with 2,500 more people spending cash in the ground...32,500 more shoppers over a season. The trick is, to budget for this over a 10 year period.....get people back into the habit of attending every game.....don't do it for 2 years and bank on a massive initial uptake......it has to be gradually built up.

The Long game isn't really the RFL's thing though...is it?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:47 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Its your assertion, you prove it.

Ask and you shall recieve

Blake Solly said: "2013 will also see more commercial income flow into Rugby League than at any time in its history and with a growing stable of sponsors and partners on board, the sport is approaching the new season with confidence.

And you believe this?