Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:55 pm  

Tre Cool wrote:

Dont worry about it, mass popularity isn't everything. RU is unwatchable, half of the best selling music is terrible and so are the most watched TV progs.

I see. So, i should consider myself one of the lucky few who get to see the greatest game of all in splendid isolation from the masses? I like it. Makes me feel special

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:53 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

definition of 'Worthy'


1. Having worth, merit, or value; useful or valuable.
2. Honorable; admirable:
3. Having sufficient worth; deserving:


can you see any of the above terms bearing any relevance to the London Broncos in their present state ?

please,be honest now !

Well first of all, yes, honestly I can. Explain to me how they do not meet your 'definition' of being worthy to be in the comp that has applied to all other teams before?
Actually it seems you missed the point, I didn't say give me a definitiion, I said define it, this would of course be in relation to the topic discussion. However as another poster has mentioned one could easily apply that to other clubs previously and yet they were not forced out.
The only let down for quins is the attendances, but this in itself is not a measure solely enough to run a club out of business or the competition,. E very other aspect is acceptable accept the playing level for their own fans. They are competitive and have beaten an in form Catalans.
So, again please show me how the London team are not 'worthy' to be in the comp, be honest you can't can you?

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:36 pm  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

Well first of all, yes, honestly I can. Explain to me how they do not meet your 'definition' of being worthy to be in the comp that has applied to all other teams before?
Actually it seems you missed the point, I didn't say give me a definitiion, I said define it, this would of course be in relation to the topic discussion. However as another poster has mentioned one could easily apply that to other clubs previously and yet they were not forced out.
The only let down for quins is the attendances, but this in itself is not a measure solely enough to run a club out of business or the competition,. E very other aspect is acceptable accept the playing level for their own fans. They are competitive and have beaten an in form Catalans.
So, again please show me how the London team are not 'worthy' to be in the comp, be honest you can't can you?

yes, honestly I have missed the point

I really thought the criteria for being worthy of an SL place would be to be able boast a fairly healthy fan base and produce a reasonably competitive team without having to rely 100% on the generosity of a business tycoon

sorry for not understanding the concept of Super League affiliation - silly me

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:18 pm  

Tre Cool wrote:

Terribly run club in just about every way. I wholeheartedly believe a SL club could thrive in the S.E. Just not run by these people and not within the M25.

Worst run business I can think of.

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:13 am  

sanjunien wrote:

yes, honestly I have missed the point

I really thought the criteria for being worthy of an SL place would be to be able boast a fairly healthy fan base and produce a reasonably competitive team without having to rely 100% on the generosity of a business tycoon

sorry for not understanding the concept of Super League affiliation - silly me

Yes very silly, you're trying to apply rules to one club and one club only though so you obviously don;t understand the rules at all & therefore have nothing to back up your arguement then?
Healthy fan base I'll give you as mentioned but it isn't the be all and end all by any stretch.
Competetive team, so you don't class beating Catalans as competitive then because Cats are obviously the wooden spooners this season of course How about the other teams that have finished in the bottom 3 or 4 in SL and getting pasted week in week out, some almost every year it seems yet Quins come in for special mention because you have something against them personally maybe like it appears many other RL 'fans'???
As for your last point re their financial backer, you've now debunked any credibility to your arguement, so according to you every single outgoing the quins/Broncos club is paid for by their backer? After all you did say they rely on their backer 100% did you not? By definition that is everything, no ommisions, he pays for the lot.

Somehow in the middle of your muddle I think you forget the SKY money, the SL competition money, sponsor monies, merchandise, admission sales, food/drink sales etc etc or was your 100% figure just another spiteful flight of fancy that you didn't actually think about like your whole concocted arguement???
C'mon, if you're going to start this you might as well put some effort in to show EXACTLY how the London club are NOT WORTHY to be in the comp....Please show workings out

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:15 am  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

Yes very silly, you're trying to apply rules to one club and one club only though so you obviously don;t understand the rules at all & therefore have nothing to back up your arguement then?
Healthy fan base I'll give you as mentioned but it isn't the be all and end all by any stretch.
Competetive team, so you don't class beating Catalans as competitive then because Cats are obviously the wooden spooners this season of course How about the other teams that have finished in the bottom 3 or 4 in SL and getting pasted week in week out, some almost every year it seems yet Quins come in for special mention because you have something against them personally maybe like it appears many other RL 'fans'???
As for your last point re their financial backer, you've now debunked any credibility to your arguement, so according to you every single outgoing the quins/Broncos club is paid for by their backer? After all you did say they rely on their backer 100% did you not? By definition that is everything, no ommisions, he pays for the lot.

Somehow in the middle of your muddle I think you forget the SKY money, the SL competition money, sponsor monies, merchandise, admission sales, food/drink sales etc etc or was your 100% figure just another spiteful flight of fancy that you didn't actually think about like your whole concocted arguement???
C'mon, if you're going to start this you might as well put some effort in to show EXACTLY how the London club are NOT WORTHY to be in the comp....Please show workings out

no mate,seriously - you win

It's a pointless operation trying to convince someone with such inflexible ideas that the Broncos or whatver the latest product name will be is anything other than a great success !

you win,hands down - I have no argument

just to say about SKY money - that is a constant,along with salary caps and the number of tackles allowed in a set etc etc which,by definition applies to ALL clubs - all my perceived failings with the Broncos are just pie in the sky

no really,I apologise,you are quite correct - my best wishes for the success story which is the eerrghh Broncos

I would just like to repeat and earlier line which passed without comment - my nephew who lives just down the road fromp the Stoop at Strawberry Hill (about half an hours walk) attended the Catalans game (he's from catalunya and went to support the french) and he reckons there were less than a thousand speccies present (certainly not 1869 or whatever) which means absolutely nowt as of course crowd numbers aren't an important factor it seems.

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:07 am  

The usual the crowd was lower than stated Broncos are lying post. Why would the club lie? In any event Broncos and a London Superleague presence will be gone come the next franchise round so I don't know why so many feel the need to waste so much emotional energy on this done to death topic!

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:19 am  

WhittonQuin wrote:

The usual the crowd was lower than stated Broncos are lying post. Why would the club lie? In any event Broncos and a London Superleague presence will be gone come the next franchise round so I don't know why so many feel the need to waste so much emotional energy on this done to death topic!

just going by what my nephew said mate - no hidden agenda,honestly - if you believe the figure quoted was accurate then that's ok with me.

my nephew has no axe to grind against the Broncos or any other team - he was very 'surprised' to hear the official figure that's all

regarding a club 'milking' (or lying in you words) about crowd numbers - well, just HOW naiive are you fella ?

it happens all the time - always has done and always will when circumstances dictate....

I've seen it and done it first hand at one particular club in an effort to impress the RFL not to mention local businesses or potential investors

I really don't care if you believe me or not but I have no reason to state something that isn't true for the fun of it.

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:56 pm  

As I said what a waste of emotional energy. But please don't state that you haven't said something that isn't true. Clearly without being there to physically count the numbers present or conduct an audit on the ticket office sales or season ticket vouchers received at the turnstile your nephew is expressing no more than opinion. Because you have an anti London agenda you have decided to take this opinion as the truth and nothing but the truth. Seriously it will all be over by the end of the 2014 season start looking for another crusade.

On the wider issue, you state that you have seen it done at first hand. Which club? Were you complicit? When was it? What are your sources that the overstatement of crowd numbers happens all the time.

Re: Can London Broncos survive much longer? : Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:27 pm  

WhittonQuin wrote:

As I said what a waste of emotional energy. But please don't state that you haven't said something that isn't true. Clearly without being there to physically count the numbers present or conduct an audit on the ticket office sales or season ticket vouchers received at the turnstile your nephew is expressing no more than opinion. Because you have an anti London agenda you have decided to take this opinion as the truth and nothing but the truth. Seriously it will all be over by the end of the 2014 season start looking for another crusade.

On the wider issue, you state that you have seen it done at first hand. Which club? Were you complicit? When was it? What are your sources that the overstatement of crowd numbers happens all the time.

please stop being so naiive

i'm certainly NOT anti London or anti anything - i'm very much pro expansionist and am often lambasted by the traditionalists who seem intent on maintaining RL as an exclusive M62 sport I but feel the present London set up has a serious problem - maybe a change of ground would help increase crowds ? maybe the club needs to be allowed to rebuild from the Championship and try SL again at a later date ? I wish I had a solution.
The RL development signs in the south east are very encouraging so maybe a serious London SL bid would be more realistic in a few years time when the game has had more time to develop - at the moment,for whatever reason the venture isn't working
having watched all the Catalan games in 2010 under Walters when the team was bottom of the league and morale on the terraces as well as in the dressing room was at an all time low and with a successful RU club half a mile down the road the Gilbert Brutus still managed 6K crowds in the last couple of home games
Problem I see with London is that even with a successful SL team the people still would be reluctant to turn out - why the apathy ?

if people are saying that crowd numbers are unimportant then so be it and good luck to London


regarding my personal affaires - if you 'pm' me I will gladly provide the info you require assuming that such information will remain confidential - it's a sensitive subject,especially at the moment.