Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:27 pm  

Kevs Head wrote:

Wildmoose (and others) have asked what is the point of this thread. Perhaps you could tell us what you think the point of the thread is. If William thinks he is demonstrating that, "the sport is a complete mess" and is merely exercising his right, "to make a connection between those numbers and their personal belief about why its happening..." can you tell us why he thinks it's happening. I confess I haven't read every word of the 139 pages but, apart from, SL attendances are down, I don't know what he's saying at all. He chooses to ignore all the mitigating circumstances that people put forward for the drop in attendances whilst mitigating the good news eg. Wakefield's small increase in attendance, with a snide comment about cheap season tickets. I know the use of the word "snide" is value laden but that's how his posts comes across to me - value laden, negative, talking the game down.

First up, the OP isn't responsible for the length of the thread. That the thread 'has a point' is a tautology - it wouldn't stretch to 130 pages if nobody was interested in the content. What the 'point' is to you personally I'm sure varies from individual to individual, but it certainly collects strong views on changes in attendance, the significance or otherwise of those changes, and people's opinions as to the reason for those changes. If such discussion is 'pointless', then I'm not sure what that says about all the other threads. I find it interesting that some people regard a 10% fall as nothing to worry about and entirely down to 'mitigating circumstances'. I think those people are very foolish, but I find their views interesting nonetheless - in particular I wonder (and worry) if their views are shared by the RFL, etc.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:31 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

we all believe you

An emoticon is always a good way to deflect attention from having your idiocy pointed out. Nobody will notice, its fine.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:37 pm  

it would be idiotic to think that you couldnt have commented on the 15 years of growing attendances we had because you only joined in April 2012. 2012 set attendance records. You could have started one yourself as you offered. You have plenty of opportunity to shout the good news from the rooftops. You chose not to. You refuse to explain why.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:41 pm  

RLBandit wrote:

First up, the OP isn't responsible for the length of the thread. That the thread 'has a point' is a tautology - it wouldn't stretch to 130 pages if nobody was interested in the content.

There is not any way, shape or form, or possible interpretation of anything at all, that could lead any intelligent person, who understands what the word means, to describe the fact this thread has a point as a tautology. I can only assume you have attempted to shoe-horn a word you dont understand into the sentence to try and sound intelligent.

[PopTart]

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:49 pm  

I have to say, I don't always like William Eve's style but I'm interested in this thread.
It will clearly go on until the end of the season and I want to keep seeing the attendances. The conclusions we are all drawing from the numbers are the point ofthe thread in my opinion.
I don't agree with all his and/or others opinions on it, but I wouldn't have my opportunity to read and comment if he didn't post it.

Sometimes an antagonist is a good thing.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:06 pm  

Agree, good to monitor attendances as they do matter in so many different ways. I like to take the good with the bad. Attendances are down this year for whatever reason. Hopefully next yer they will be back to the norm and start climbing again.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:11 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I have to say, I don't always like William Eve's style but I'm interested in this thread.
It will clearly go on until the end of the season and I want to keep seeing the attendances. The conclusions we are all drawing from the numbers are the point ofthe thread in my opinion.
I don't agree with all his and/or others opinions on it, but I wouldn't have my opportunity to read and comment if he didn't post it.

Sometimes an antagonist is a good thing.

I agree with you. Perhaps asking, "Whats the point?" is the wrong question but I am just interested in William's motivation for starting the thread in the first place because his comments don't seem to be constructive or positive. Anyway, he must be sitting in his cellar p155ing himself laughing at the moment so I think I'll bow out.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:14 am  

JB Down Under wrote: Agree, good to monitor attendances as they do matter in so many different ways. I like to take the good with the bad. Attendances are down this year for whatever reason. Hopefully next year they will be back to the norm and start climbing again. this...but with the kicker that "hopefully" has no place in modern sports marketing...the RFL employed a marketing Guru from Man City...time he started to earn his crust IMHO! Averages have grown from 6,500 in year 1, with 12 teams playing 132 games to an average of 8,457 over 154 games so far with 28 regular season games to come. 30% increase is good work over 18 years.....until you look at some of the prices in the 1997 column here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1551091/Blair-in-numbers.html Average price of a pint of draught lager £1.83........add 30% .....can you get a pint of lager for £2.38 anywhere today

JB Down Under wrote: Agree, good to monitor attendances as they do matter in so many different ways. I like to take the good with the bad. Attendances are down this year for whatever reason. Hopefully next year they will be back to the norm and start climbing again. this...but with the kicker that "hopefully" has no place in modern sports marketing...the RFL employed a marketing Guru from Man City...time he started to earn his crust IMHO! Averages have grown from 6,500 in year 1, with 12 teams playing 132 games to an average of 8,457 over 154 games so far with 28 regular season games to come. 30% increase is good work over 18 years.....until you look at some of the prices in the 1997 column here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1551091/Blair-in-numbers.html Average price of a pint of draught lager £1.83........add 30% .....can you get a pint of lager for £2.38 anywhere today

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:26 pm  

gutterfax wrote: this...but with the kicker that "hopefully" has no place in modern sports marketing...the RFL employed a marketing Guru from Man City...time he started to earn his crust IMHO! Averages have grown from 6,500 in year 1, with 12 teams playing 132 games to an average of 8,457 over 154 games so far with 28 regular season games to come. 30% increase is good work over 18 years.....until you look at some of the prices in the 1997 column here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1551091/Blair-in-numbers.html Average price of a pint of draught lager £1.83........add 30% .....can you get a pint of lager for £2.38 anywhere today you probably can, since you like your pint glasses half empty.

gutterfax wrote: this...but with the kicker that "hopefully" has no place in modern sports marketing...the RFL employed a marketing Guru from Man City...time he started to earn his crust IMHO! Averages have grown from 6,500 in year 1, with 12 teams playing 132 games to an average of 8,457 over 154 games so far with 28 regular season games to come. 30% increase is good work over 18 years.....until you look at some of the prices in the 1997 column here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1551091/Blair-in-numbers.html Average price of a pint of draught lager £1.83........add 30% .....can you get a pint of lager for £2.38 anywhere today you probably can, since you like your pint glasses half empty.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:10 pm  

For me, the crux of the matter is that long standing die-hard rugby league fans are becoming frustrated with the lack of meaningful games, and are becoming less avid.
In a discussion on the Leeds board, I explained that I personally have gone from never missing a match (missing work, using holidays, missing other events to make sure I didnt miss a match) to more recently picking and choosing the games I attend. For instance, even if I were offered a free ticket to Salford v Leeds, with free travel, I'd still choose to stay at home and watch the game on the box, because the intensity isnt there for a Leeds v Salford match.
Rugby league fans simply want a good full bloodied contest, between 2 teams that will give their all and play as though their lives depend on it. The current league structure means that the top teams can afford to take it easy for large parts of the season - leading to low intensity games and a general apathy.
The worry is, that if someone like me, who's life has always revolved around the game is becoming dis-illusioned, how on earth are we going to attract and keep new supporters. (By the way, my love for the game has not detracted - its just the entertainment served up is often not worth giving up my hard earned and spare time).