Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:18 pm  

What point are you trying to make with this thread?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:22 pm  

During the current franchised, 14 club, top 8 play-off system SL era... the total attendances in SL to date remain the lowest we have ever witnessed. Neither the replacement of the poorly-supported Crusaders with the better-supported Widnes, nor the establishment of 2 new stadia, nor the re-establishment of heavily-discounted SL tickets have prevented 2013 SL attendances from being the worst on record so far.

SL Rounds 1 to 23 total attendances comparison (2009 to 2013)
SL 2013 - 1,361,511 from 154 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures.
SL 2012 - 1,520,758 from same 154 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures.
SL 2011 - 1,426,660 from same 154 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures **
SL 2010 - 1,391,172 from same 154 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures **
SL 2009 - 1,400,816 from same 154 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures **

SL 2013 % decrease in attendances
V SL 2012 = -10.47%
V SL 2011 = -4.57%
V SL 2010 = -2.13%
V SL 2009 = -2.81%

SL attendances losses
V SL 2012 = -159,247
V SL 2011 = -65,149
V SL 2010 = -29,661
V SL 2009 = -39,305

** except replace Widnes with Crusaders

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:27 pm  

Easily explained by the economic climate. By way of comparison do you have similar data for domestic football, rugby union, cricket etc? What about other leisure industries?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:30 pm  

Wildmoose wrote:

What point are you trying to make with this thread?

He's a very sad man.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:38 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote: You mention Wakefields "mega cheap" season tickets but whatever the start point, the price was increased by 20% and they will be back somewhere near their true price next season. I'm guessing most Wakefield season ticket holders got in early? It'll be interesting to see if Wakefield can hold on to their season ticketed fanbase next season if they are to charge full prices. Bradford and Huddersfield have seen huge downturns in home attendances after removing their mega cheap season ticket deals. wrencat1873 wrote: The economy is still screwed and watching sport is a "luxury" which unfortunately, it is possible to live without. Citing the economy for SL attendances being down by over 10% this year might wash with the RFL or the marketing departments at SL clubs in order to account for their failures. wrencat1873 wrote: Salford and London have most cause for concern but, you will see a fairly hefty lift in crowds at Salford next season. Salford have lost over 2,000 fans per home game since they left the Willows for that characterless brand new stadium in the middle of nowhere. They have a massive job persuading those lost fans to return. Purchasing a season ticket is a habit which is often broken beyond repair once a decision has been made not to renew. wrencat1873 wrote: Regarding the London Leeds fixture. Thursday night away in London is a shocker for whichever team is making the journey but, if you take Sky's money, its the price that you have to pay. The game has paid several huge long-term prices for it's total reliance upon Sky.

wrencat1873 wrote: You mention Wakefields "mega cheap" season tickets but whatever the start point, the price was increased by 20% and they will be back somewhere near their true price next season. I'm guessing most Wakefield season ticket holders got in early? It'll be interesting to see if Wakefield can hold on to their season ticketed fanbase next season if they are to charge full prices. Bradford and Huddersfield have seen huge downturns in home attendances after removing their mega cheap season ticket deals. wrencat1873 wrote: The economy is still screwed and watching sport is a "luxury" which unfortunately, it is possible to live without. Citing the economy for SL attendances being down by over 10% this year might wash with the RFL or the marketing departments at SL clubs in order to account for their failures. wrencat1873 wrote: Salford and London have most cause for concern but, you will see a fairly hefty lift in crowds at Salford next season. Salford have lost over 2,000 fans per home game since they left the Willows for that characterless brand new stadium in the middle of nowhere. They have a massive job persuading those lost fans to return. Purchasing a season ticket is a habit which is often broken beyond repair once a decision has been made not to renew. wrencat1873 wrote: Regarding the London Leeds fixture. Thursday night away in London is a shocker for whichever team is making the journey but, if you take Sky's money, its the price that you have to pay. The game has paid several huge long-term prices for it's total reliance upon Sky.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:42 pm  

Wildmoose wrote:

Easily explained by the economic climate.

What was the economic climate like last season when SL attendances were almost 12% higher than they are this season?

Wildmoose wrote:

By way of comparison do you have similar data for domestic football, rugby union, cricket etc? What about other leisure industries?

Feel free to collate that data yourself if you wish to make a point.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:49 pm  

William Eve wrote:

What was the economic climate like last season when SL attendances were almost 12% higher than they are this season?

Feel free to collate that data yourself if you wish to make a point.

Why would I want to do that? Judging by this thread you're the one trying to make a point, just not quite sure what it is?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:05 pm  

Wildmoose wrote:

Why would I want to do that?

Because your assertion is that SL attendances are down because of the economic climate and you implied that it's the same for domestic football, rugby union and cricket. So where's your data to back up your assertion?

Wildmoose wrote:

Judging by this thread you're the one trying to make a point, just not quite sure what it is?

I'm merely providing data on SL attendances and comparing them to previous years attendances. Are you uncomfortable with that? And if so, then why?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:41 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Because your assertion is that SL attendances are down because of the economic climate and you implied that it's the same for domestic football, rugby union and cricket. So where's your data to back up your assertion?

I'm merely providing data on SL attendances and comparing them to previous years attendances. Are you uncomfortable with that? And if so, then why?

Did I make such assertions? Or did I just enquire if you have comparable data? Without knowing how the economic climate has effected other leisure industries it's difficult to put any figures into context.

If I was uncomfortable with this thread I'm sure I'd have managed to post before now

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:06 pm  

William Eve wrote: I'm guessing most Wakefield season ticket holders got in early? . Still a significant increase on 2012 prices http://www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/news ... w/2011/08/

William Eve wrote: I'm guessing most Wakefield season ticket holders got in early? . Still a significant increase on 2012 prices http://www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/news ... w/2011/08/