Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:12 pm  

JB Down Under wrote:

Of course it's not good crowds are down, but we are not alone in that. Which sports crowds are up? RU certainly aren't.

Arriva premiership avg crowd
12/13 12,478
11/12 12,925

French top 14
09/10 13,795
12/13 11,387

Heineken cup
11/12 15,323
12/13 13,566

And people say I'm obsessed with union?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:34 pm  

Over 10,000 at Wakey tonight! Must be first time in a while.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:04 pm  

10031 there tonight. Great atmosphere, close game in the balance right uo until the last minute.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:17 pm  

JonB95 wrote:

Over 10,000 at Wakey tonight! Must be first time in a while.

only 2nd ever time in SL i think - well done to them !

[Wildthing]

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:25 am  

GIANT DAZ wrote:

only 2nd ever time in SL i think - well done to them !

Yep 2nd highest SL crowd. No cheap ticket offers either.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:50 am  

gutterfax wrote:

And people say I'm obsessed with union?

gutterfax wrote:

it's not good news for the sport that attendances are down when other sports are riding the Olympic wave and increasing theirs.

Sorry did I show you up?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:30 am  

JB Down Under wrote:

Sorry did I show you up?

Dream on.....
You reckon showing the Aviva Premiership being down 3.9% somehow negates the current 11.5% drop in the Superleague?
You then introduce the French Top 14 and the Heineken Cup, 2 EUROPEAN Comps...to try and counter a debate about other sports riding high on the Olympic wave

Now you've opened the door on European competition, shall we compare the 13,458 average for the H cup (down 10%) with the Challenge Cup 3,811 (down 15.5%)?

The Amlin Challenge cup averages 5,307 per game up 3%.....it is the 2nd tier European cup comp.
The Rabo Pro12 averages 8,199 up 6%...it is the 2nd tier European league.

The Challenge cup has seen an average of 3,811 fans per game over the 30 matches played since the pro's joined in.....I can go back to earlier rounds if you'd like?
We could also discuss the competitions sponsors we've mentioned....Amlin, Aviva, Heineken, Rabo Direct......oh, and Tetley's, but sadly no sponsor for the premiere comp in the NH for RL?

11.5% drop in attendances in SL and 15.5% drop in 30 Challenge cup matches this year as against last......post all the Union stats you want JB.....Other sports are seeing an increase in attendances....I believe the anniversary games were well attended and they had a naming rights sponsor too. You chose Rugby Union because the 3.9 drop in the Aviva was supposed to score some imaginary points against me.....you failed dismally. Of the 76,387 "missing" Union fans in 2012-13.....42,653 were down to the lack of interest in the Saracens Wembley jamboree compared to the previous "world record" 83,716. ....24,734 less fans is a drop of 1.4%......

By the way, the Heineken Cup final in Dublin this year was between 2 French teams and it got 50,148. The previous year, the final was played in London between 2 Irish teams and got something like 82,000...let's laugh at the bigger and better run code some more shall we?

The mere fact that you had to drag union into the debate to try and score points indicates you accept Billy has a point...the RFL do not seem keen to address the problems this year as they were to back slap each other last year.

feel free to tell us all how wonderful things are in the SH, but it won't paper over the fact that the RFL are systematically screwing the game up in the NH with ineffective management and a total lack of know how to run a sports/business in the modern world. They are responsible for Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales in RL, yet they turn over less revenue than the scots RFU, have no naming rights sponsor for their flagship comp, have flogged TV rights for the RLWC to an access TV station, have seen massive year on year reductions in fans attending Challenge cup games and they are now circling the wagons to reduce the comp to 12 in the hope that any more administrations are avoided. The Exiles concept is flawed, but they press on with it anyway, the autumn international series was a waste of time last year so in reality, by the time England run out at Cardiff in October, it will be 24 days short of 2 years since they played a meaningful international fixture.....but hey ho, let's laugh some more at the bigger and better run code some more shall we?

SHOW ME UP?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:48 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Dream on.....
You reckon showing the Aviva Premiership being down 3.9% somehow negates the current 11.5% drop in the Superleague?
You then introduce the French Top 14 and the Heineken Cup, 2 EUROPEAN Comps...to try and counter a debate about other sports riding high on the Olympic wave

Now you've opened the door on European competition, shall we compare the 13,458 average for the H cup (down 10%) with the Challenge Cup 3,811 (down 15.5%)?

The Amlin Challenge cup averages 5,307 per game up 3%.....it is the 2nd tier European cup comp.
The Rabo Pro12 averages 8,199 up 6%...it is the 2nd tier European league.

The Challenge cup has seen an average of 3,811 fans per game over the 30 matches played since the pro's joined in.....I can go back to earlier rounds if you'd like?
We could also discuss the competitions sponsors we've mentioned....Amlin, Aviva, Heineken, Rabo Direct......oh, and Tetley's, but sadly no sponsor for the premiere comp in the NH for RL?

11.5% drop in attendances in SL and 15.5% drop in 30 Challenge cup matches this year as against last......post all the Union stats you want JB.....Other sports are seeing an increase in attendances....I believe the anniversary games were well attended and they had a naming rights sponsor too. You chose Rugby Union because the 3.9 drop in the Aviva was supposed to score some imaginary points against me.....you failed dismally. Of the 76,387 "missing" Union fans in 2012-13.....42,653 were down to the lack of interest in the Saracens Wembley jamboree compared to the previous "world record" 83,716. ....24,734 less fans is a drop of 1.4%......

By the way, the Heineken Cup final in Dublin this year was between 2 French teams and it got 50,148. The previous year, the final was played in London between 2 Irish teams and got something like 82,000...let's laugh at the bigger and better run code some more shall we?

The mere fact that you had to drag union into the debate to try and score points indicates you accept Billy has a point...the RFL do not seem keen to address the problems this year as they were to back slap each other last year.

feel free to tell us all how wonderful things are in the SH, but it won't paper over the fact that the RFL are systematically screwing the game up in the NH with ineffective management and a total lack of know how to run a sports/business in the modern world. They are responsible for Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales in RL, yet they turn over less revenue than the scots RFU, have no naming rights sponsor for their flagship comp, have flogged TV rights for the RLWC to an access TV station, have seen massive year on year reductions in fans attending Challenge cup games and they are now circling the wagons to reduce the comp to 12 in the hope that any more administrations are avoided. The Exiles concept is flawed, but they press on with it anyway, the autumn international series was a waste of time last year so in reality, by the time England run out at Cardiff in October, it will be 24 days short of 2 years since they played a meaningful international fixture.....but hey ho, let's laugh some more at the bigger and better run code some more shall we?

SHOW ME UP?

Erm, you said RL was failing because 'all other sports were riding the Olympic wave and increasing their crowds'.. fundamentally wrong, as all the RU domestic competition mentioned also saw falling crowds. Produce all the stats you want about how much bigger RU is, but it doesn't make you right in this context.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:10 pm  

JonB95 wrote:

Erm, you said RL was failing because 'all other sports were riding the Olympic wave and increasing their crowds'.. fundamentally wrong, as all the RU domestic competition mentioned also saw falling crowds. Produce all the stats you want about how much bigger RU is, but it doesn't make you right in this context.

I didn't say all sports......I said other sports and I didn't mention union before the honourable gentleman in Western Australia.
The important stats are 11.5% down in SL and 15.5% down in the Challenge Cup

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:15 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

I didn't say all sports......I said other sports and I didn't mention union before the honourable gentleman in Western Australia.
The important stats are 11.5% down in SL and 15.5% down in the Challenge Cup

Oh come on, you were comparing to other sports and RU as a team sport in the same vein is the closest comparison. If the only important stats are those of rugby league then stop bloody comparing us to the other code yourself.