Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:39 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Assumption: £30 loss of revenue per lost fan compared to last season (by club)
Leeds = £42,510 gain
Widnes = £16,530 loss
Wakefield = £28,890 loss
Hull = £71,700 loss
Catalan = £109,770 loss
Castleford = £137,340 loss
Hull KR = £138,180 loss
London = £195,600 loss
Warrington = £226,650 loss
Wigan = £430,500 loss
Huddersfield = £539,040 loss
Salford = £775,200 loss
St Helens = £939,000 loss
Bradford = £989,700 loss
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Revenue Loss Subtotal = £4,555,590
Magic Weekend Loss = £50,220
Revenue Loss Total = £4,605,810
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Your not taking into account season ticket deductions v increased on the gate takings.

For example my clubs season ticket sales are down 1000 this year but crowd avg is only down 500. This means there are on avg 500 people paying on the gate prices who previously paid discounted season ticket prices. Meaning losses not as bad as may seem.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:41 pm  

Giants have probably had more income this season than last fwiw

-20% attendance
+100% cost of season tickets...

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:39 pm  

Code13 wrote:

Giants have probably had more income this season than last fwiw

-20% attendance
+100% cost of season tickets...

Indeed, Wakefield ST's went up by 25% on last season and we have only seen a 10% drop in attendances.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:51 pm  

Code13 wrote:

Giants have probably had more income this season than last fwiw

-20% attendance
+100% cost of season tickets...

Ditto for Bradford

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:08 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Assumption: £30 loss of revenue per lost fan compared to last season (by club)
Leeds = £42,510 gain
Widnes = £16,530 loss
Wakefield = £28,890 loss
Hull = £71,700 loss
Catalan = £109,770 loss
Castleford = £137,340 loss
Hull KR = £138,180 loss
London = £195,600 loss
Warrington = £226,650 loss
Wigan = £430,500 loss
Huddersfield = £539,040 loss
Salford = £775,200 loss
St Helens = £939,000 loss
Bradford = £989,700 loss
------------------------------------------------
Revenue Loss Subtotal = £4,555,590
Magic Weekend Loss = £50,220
Revenue Loss Total = £4,605,810
------------------------------------------------

Out of interest, what is the £30 per fan assumption comprised of?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:57 pm  

Bad guesswork! Avg ticket price is probably close to 15-20 pound when you take into account Jnr's, students, concessions, cheapest stands, season ticket discounts and offers during the season.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:27 pm  

JB Down Under wrote:

Bad guesswork! Avg ticket price is probably close to 15-20 pound when you take into account Jnr's, students, concessions, cheapest stands, season ticket discounts and offers during the season.

Yeah but that would be realistic and not the worst case scenario that Mr Eve likes to paint.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:59 pm  

Chris28 wrote: Out of interest, what is the £30 per fan assumption comprised of? HERE

Chris28 wrote: Out of interest, what is the £30 per fan assumption comprised of? HERE

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:04 pm  

William Eve wrote: HERE Fair enough. I thought it must include that, but hadn't read back

William Eve wrote: HERE Fair enough. I thought it must include that, but hadn't read back

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:16 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

Out of interest, what is the £30 per fan assumption comprised of?

JB Down Under wrote:

Bad guesswork! Avg ticket price is probably close to 15-20 pound when you take into account Jnr's, students, concessions, cheapest stands, season ticket discounts and offers during the season.

Actually, it's not far off the mark in regards to lost revenue (I never said ticket revenue and I never said profit)

The average ticket price for a SL game is somewhere between 10-20 based on ST prices through to walk up. Let us say, for the purpose of this match lesson, we give YOU the benefit of the doubt.....we'll say it's 14 notes a pop.

so, 16 notes to find.....hmm...let me see. When was the last time you went to a RL game in SL or the NRL and didn't buy a programme (3 quid?), a beer (3quid), a Pie (2.50?) or visit the shop to add to your burgeoning collection of shirts (50?), scarves (15?) hats (12?) t-shirts (10?) etc etc. Then there are the match day lotteries that some clubs run, official away games where they clip the ticket (10?).....

When I went to the Broncos/Quins, I generally blagged freebies for me and Mrs G, but on the basis we'd paid for the tickets and at a minimum of 10 (7/3 split...she has a problem ) pints each with 1 burger and 2 chips (followed by a scary cycle home ) and judging by the selection of London RL in both our wardrobes and my programme collection, I reckon that we were on 75.00 a game BEFORE we visited the shop. If we only bought 1 replica shirt each a year the we have spent over a grand...of 45 quid each a game....I have every shirt since 2003, a selection of hats, coats away strips, ties, cufflinks, watches, wallets etc....she has a bunch of Quins RL gear as well as some pretty decent stuf ffrom the dark side......

Not everyone hammers 5 pints a game, not does everyone buy replica gear or programmes.....but with 2 chips and a burger, and a few drinks together with the potential of replica shirts and all the rest, I say 30 notes a visit per fan is not far off the mark as an AVERAGE. I have not assumed a growth in commercial and corporate hospitality in my calculations, but if you allow for a 10% drop in that across the board, then the figure grows to nearer 50 notes a head.....

Your sweeping assertion that I guessed the figure is based on nothing than insecurity that Billy Eve might have a point......and that the game might be close to 6 million down in revenue by seasons end. If I am 20% out, the figure is still potentially 5 million a year......if I am 20% out the other way, then nearer 7.5 million a year....I am not "making these figures up" or pulling them out of my booty...they are based on various prices across the board....I doubt an exact figure could ever be arrived at.

I have no idea as to Billy's motives in this thread, but personally, I'd like people at the RFL to be given KPI's and to have a full and complete understanding as to the rewards and the consequences of performance....because as it stands, they all seem to have jobs for life, regardless of the clusterf++k they are making of the simplest of tasks.