Funny that people are rabbiting on about the halfbacks again. England have been battered in the pack.

Have to say though Australia have played much better than they have done in the past few tournaments.

It's true though Int it. We have not got anywhere near them since 1994. No coincidence that since the Quita went from 3 to around 8 that we have gone backwards. We have not addressed the same issues we have had for 15years plus, we are not producing enough quality players across multiple positions.

We're losing this game because their pack has had more intensity in their running and tackling than we have.

We've also looked a bit one dimensional at hooker with just Hodgson. Hooker is our strongest position with Hodgson Clark McIlorum Roby...yet we've not used Clark well in this tournament at all.

The reality is we have conceded three soft tries, Australia don't do that and NZ rarely do, that is the difference.

Nah I am not buying this.. journey men are coming to super league because England do not produce enough quality players. Until the playing pool is increased nothing will change. You can't say pick young English players, if they are not good enough then it's pointless them playing. How about producing a real reserve grade so young players are not lost from the game.

As for picking players only in super league. First of all that won't stop players going to the NRL and if you only had a team full of super league players then England become a poor side pretty quickly.

People need to sit up and realise that the game in this country is dying a very slow and painful death. I know people have been saying this for quite a few years but the evidence is there to support this. We look as dire as ever on the pitch, and to not be selling out games against the aussies is criminal. Whether it be a friendly or World Cup final, games against the aussies should be near sellouts, not a half empty national stadium. The quality of super league is dropping year on year with sky's coverage following suit. Then you look at ru, they've just upped the pay packets per match to 20k an appearance!

We've gone backwards under Bennett.

The end result is the same but the peformances under Mcnamara towards the end were very good, especially down under in 2014.

Too many players who just because they play in NRL are deemed to be automatic choices, both the burgess twins are no were near as good as people make out, average at best.

Sam Burgess shadow of the player he was before joining union , josh hodgson not a 90 min hooker and offers no zip like you get from clarke , chopping and changing halfs every game no cohesion gone backwards since 2014

This side without the Burgii, Graham and Hodgeson is not doing better.

The problems run deep and start early, the solutions aren't acceptable to some vested interests and would require courage, bravery, vision and drive, as well as a major change in priorities.

Agree, our pack hasn't stood up at all. Some decent defence here and there but largely average. Hodgson has done nothing.