Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:51 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Can't speak for young Billy, but I have no agenda. I want to see a successful Sport managed in the best way possible. The RFL, who are essentially organising the RLWC 2013 will pat themselves on the back and position themselves as genius marketers, as well as astute business brains when in fact, they are nothing of the sort.

The Celebration of an England game selling out is astounding.....this is a World Cup for gods sake.

By the way, I still say if they'd gone past the 2008 ticket sales total they'd have told us......cryptic press releases about "seat" sales are all well and good, but the fact that they are "confident" that this will be the best attended ever (300,056) means that there are still 40% of their TARGET sales missing.

The glass is often half full with RL supporters.......which explains why Nigel and his cronies will still be in charge of the sport this time next year

I am already booking games to record as far in advance as I can and will get up at stupid o'clock to watch some live. I deride the way the game is managed, not the game

With friends like you we don't need enemies. This is RL. When have we ever sold out England games in the World Cup. This is new, exciting,unchartered territory but you damn I with faint praise. Curmudgeon.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:07 pm  

keighley1 wrote:

With friends like you we don't need enemies.

Heard of Mark Evans?
He was CEO of Harlequins RU when they were caught cheating in an H cup match.....he set up his own promotional company and delivered sarries their 80k+ crowd at Wembley....he's now CEO of the Melbourne Storm and also responsible for marketing the Wembley Double Header Semi-finals (at the request of the RLIF I will add), which will, in all probability be the biggest attended event during the RLWC in its entirety.

People like you would have had this guy tarred and feathered not so long ago and yet you ask who needs friends like me?
The loving RFL, that's who!


Ireland v Australia would have near as damn it filled Loftus road and done as much good for Irish RL as playing in Thomond Park. Disagree if you like, but lay of the labelling.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:10 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

so,how many tickets have been sold? What's that you say? Oh, you're guessing, because the RLWC 2013 organisers refuse to release actual figures, but instead prefer to announce % of available tickets....
Word to the wise buddy....if you don't know how sales are going, don't comment. 3,207 is, I believe, the record for an Irish RL international at home....Thomond Park holds 26,500....the insanity of this match being played in Limerick will be brushed aside by the biggest ever crowd for a RL international in Ireland

Bitter much?

The other lot will discount tickets for their jamboree in 2015.....don't worry about that. The main difference is they manage to get people to attend. Saracens are a perfect example.....poop club, poop game, yet they get 61,000+ for a Heineken Cup pool match.....struggling to find the last RL international that got close to that.....might have been the 1995 RLWC final....but you ridicule Saracens.

That was a fact. It is on course to be the largest attendance ever at a RL match in Ireland. That's called putting a positive spin on it. You choose to highlight the quite low numbers of that attendance.That's called putting a negative spin on it.

You choose to highlight the possible shortfall on the target attendance figures. That's putting a negative spin on it. I would point to the record numbers of spectators for any Rugby league World cup in the UK. That's putting a positive spin on it.

Some would like to make a big deal of the heritage players involved. Negative. Some would like to celebrate the fact that we have gone from several World cups with a total of for teams to one involving 14 countries all of whom have a domestic league of some sort. Positive.

Now which camp do you think you are in ?

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:13 pm  

Can someone raise it on the Mods Board to start a new thread for the people stupid enough to keep replying to Gutterfax and AP? It's kind of difficult to discuss ticket sales ATM.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:16 pm  

Gutters has a point about the Irish game.. playing it in the cavernous Thomond Park , miles away from Dublin , in an area in which rugby league doesn't even register, is a bit of madness IMO .. it will draw 5k-ish.. good in terms of Irish RL but could have been so much more elsewhere ...

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:18 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Stop right there fella

You don't qualify any time soon to pass judgement on me who attended 7 World Cup fixtures down under in 2008 and will be attending more than double that number in 2013.

It is to be hoped the heavily discounted £5 or £7.50 seats you've purchased for the England V Ireland game in Huddersfield don't have a negative impact on your potential patronage of the game in the future.

So you get to pass judgement on others, you know nothing about, based on the fact you've watched a few games down under 5 years ago? Does that make you a super fan then?

Sad doesn't even begin to describe it.

How many non World Cup games have you paid to see this year btw?

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:21 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Heard of Mark Evans?
He was CEO of Harlequins RU when they were caught cheating in an H cup match.....he set up his own promotional company and delivered sarries their 80k+ crowd at Wembley....he's now CEO of the Melbourne Storm and also responsible for marketing the Wembley Double Header Semi-finals (at the request of the RLIF I will add), which will, in all probability be the biggest attended event during the RLWC in its entirety.

People like you would have had this guy tarred and feathered not so long ago and yet you ask who needs friends like me?
The loving RFL, that's who!


Ireland v Australia would have near as damn it filled Loftus road and done as much good for Irish RL as playing in Thomond Park. Disagree if you like, but lay of the labelling.

A classic " the end justifies the means" post. The Storm eh, terminal cheaters, it's a good fit.

However, everybody deserves a second chance. Good for him.

Mr Evans cannot possibly have had as negative an outlook as you if he has managed to sell out large portions of Wembley .

The original comment stands. With friends like you etc etc.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:39 pm  

loiner81 wrote:

So you get to pass judgement on others, you know nothing about

In response to having judgement passed on me? Absolutely, and with extra toppings thrown on for free.

loiner81 wrote:

So based on the fact you've watched a few games down under 5 years ago? Does that make you a super fan then?

Never seen myself as a super fan... just better than most

I've attended games down under every season since 2001 and that would include the 2006 Tri Nations and the 2010 Four Nations in Aus and NZ. Throw in attendances at several Anzac Tests, Origin games, NRL Grand Finals, Queensland Cup and even the old Bartercard Cup in NZ, then the more I consider it.... thanks for the nod btw... super fan could well fit the bill

loiner81 wrote:

Sad doesn't even begin to describe it.

It doesn't because I quit attending SL games two seasons ago.

loiner81 wrote:

How many non World Cup games have you paid to see this year btw?

Between 30 and 40.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:41 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

The fact that the RLWC 2013 final still has 15,000 available seats is astounding.......80,000 people attend 7 SL games every week in the UK......between the fans apathy and the RFL's incompetence, the sport seems quite astute at self harm IMHO.

"Astounding"? I know you're not daft enough to actually believe that Barnaby so only confirms you're on the wind up, I'm sad to see you've sunk to this mate.

Some perspective... I bought tickets for the last WC Final, in the hotbed of Brisbane FFS, a few days before the game. I'm not sure it ever sold out - and certainly had less than they've already sold for this one. The one before that in 2000 had a crowd of 40,0000 (so we've already sold 50% more in advance, at the same ground) and only managed that by giving away thousands and thousands of frees in Manchester the week beforehand. I was also at the previous WC Final in the much-vaunted 1995 tournament, with shedloads of marketing (those "Chariots Offiah" tube posters etc) and GB in the final with a genuine chance of winning, and Wembley was a long way from sold out that day too. With the major structural and strategic weaknesses of international RL as a product, we need to be realistic about objectives at this stage of the long rebuild - this is a step-by-step process.

You're a plastic Irishman so maybe I'll put it like this: I was in Dublin once and lost, so I stopped a taxi and asked him for directions. "Well, I wouldn't start from here..." he said.

I wouldn't want to start from here either. I'd rather have stronger uncertainty of outcomes, rather than England not beating the Aussies in a tournament for 40 years. I'd rather have a strong international history, rather than one hampered by the killer combination of incompetence / small mindedness of RFL and NSWRL administrators (since at least the fifties) with the barriers the RFU/IRB so carefully erected to XIII's development at amateur participation level globally for decades. But I can't have any of those things. What we can do is recognise where we're starting from, and take realistic steps to move towards the destination we're aiming for. Maybe not today, but tomorrow.

60,000 pre-sales for the Final is what's truly "astounding" in that context, and somebody with the sport's best interests at heart would celebrate that progress whilst continuing to constructively highlight areas for improvement. So what's your objective?

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:55 pm  

headhunter wrote:

Can someone raise it on the Mods Board to start a new thread for the people stupid enough to keep replying to Gutterfax and AP? It's kind of difficult to discuss ticket sales ATM.

Don't underestimate the need for a counter point.

Without William this thread would be one hand clapping. In terms of getting a story out there, it keeps the story fresh on the board.