Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:02 am  

Speccy wrote:

No wonder this site is dying.Admin must be very pleased with themselves.

why?because debate about the state of the game is encouraged as opposed to blanket bans for anyone who dares question the party line?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:23 am  

Talent Spotter wrote:

I would say the low play off crowds are more down to the awful top 8 system. No one from 8th is ever going to win it, and the top 4 get another chance even if they lose the first game. No wonder no one turns up.

I would agree that the flawed Top 8 system is one of many reasons why attendances are down during the regular season this year. However, IMO the main reason why attendances are poor during the play-off games is that most fans are discounted season ticket holders and aren't prepared to pay full admission price via a ticket purchase or at the turnstiles on the day.

SL Play-Off Attendances
Year - Attendances = Avg
2006 - 61,546/5 = 12,309
2007 - 65,662/5 = 13,132
2008 - 49,752/5 = 9,950
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Top 8 introduced for 2009
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2009 - 68.995/8 = 8,624
2010 - 94,573/8 = 11,822
2011 - 76,544/8 = 9,568
2012 - 74,924/8 = 9,366

Talent Spotter wrote:

The point I was making about ticket offers is that it devalues this thread if you keep bringing them up, when they have happened on a regular basis for the last few years.

The point I'm going to make is that ticket offers are relevant in any discussion on why SL attendances are rising or falling. Earlier in this thread, some suggested attendances were down this season due to a lack of cheap ticket deals this season which is clearly not the case at all.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:45 am  

Attendances at 5 out of the 6 SL fixtures played so far in the current round are down compared to the same fixtures last season. Attendances at 83 out of 109 SL fixtures so far (not including Magic Weekend) are down compared to last season. Full update will be posted after tonight's SL fixture which completes the round.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:29 am  

gutterfax wrote:

why?because debate about the state of the game is encouraged as opposed to blanket bans for anyone who dares question the party line?

People would rather discuss the games flaws with people who actually like the game and want it to succeed rather than bitter trolls who seemingly have nothing better to do, How often does William have any praise for the game?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:35 am  

gutterfax wrote:

I agree with you JB......if it is "structured" then there is value in offering. Data collection and following up....habit forming is key. There is no benefit in haphazzard offerings......

just checked ticketek btw....only $50 tickets left for the farce v lions game. What offers are they doing at ground level?

Buy a Lions ticket and get a Farce ticket to their next game for $80, saving $38.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:24 pm  

If Huddersfield's attendances have only fallen by 20% but season ticket prices have doubled then it could be argued that they have successfully managed to increase their core supporter base as a result of discounted season tickets in previous years.
When looking at attendances then it would be more valid if a break down was made between home and away supporters.
Another factor which should be born in mind is that when it comes to rugby league it is the same people going to games. The same supporters are expected to not only attend league games but then to fork out for challenge cup, exile and world cup games. Cricket, football and rugby union are more in the public eye and so don't rely on the same supporters having to buy tickets to all the various competitions. With this being a world cup year maybe this has impacted on people travelling to away games or even purchasing season tickets as they have purchased tickets for the world cup. I may not be the norm but I suspect others will be picking and choosing their games this season.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:53 pm  

JonB95 wrote:

People would rather discuss the games flaws with people who actually like the game and want it to succeed rather than bitter trolls who seemingly have nothing better to do, How often does William have any praise for the game?

What does it matter? Is it compulsory to post praise for the game alongside whatever it is gets a bee in your bonnet? W. Eve has an issue with attendances and some opinions (I don't agree with most of them) about why they've been bad this year ( a 12% fall is bad ). People tend to have something they feel passionate about, and that's what they post about. It would be a very dull forum if all we read was benign comments about how much fun it is watching RL. How can anyone possibly think 'talking the game down' on this forum has the slightest effect on the game?

Some of us are concerned about a 12% fall. I know the history of Speedway attendances in the UK to know how quickly a sport can go from major to minor to insignificant. It bothers me. It doesn't bother others, who are confident everything is going to be fine. That's fine, you could be right, but don't confuse pessimism with wanting failure. The was a time when I could see the logic in wishing for some big screw-up so that we could see the back of Nigel Wood and his gang. But frankly, they're immune to anything - absolutely no failure shames them into resignation. So we have to keep plodding on with no proper sponsor, no clear brand, no obvious direction and uncharismatic leadership. It's difficult to be optimistic.

FWIW I think the RLWC will be pretty good. There are a few tournament risks - essentially half-full stadia on TV - but I think they've done decent work in planning to avoid that, certainly in comparison to some of the last ones. I don't have any confidence that we'll take advantage of the brief media attention though. An England win will go some way to extending the interest but that would be a bonus rather than down to the skill of the RFL.

In an ideal world, England win the RLWC, and we have a new charismatic, marketing-led (and marketing-expert) leadership team at the RFL right on the back of it, ready to maximize the benefits through into 2014. Wood can go with some respect, making the not-unreasonable claim that he saw the game through some challenges, but that it's now time for a new leader.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:44 pm  

Postings are down 31.8% on here over the past 12 months.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:59 pm  

SL Round 17 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year

Hull V Leeds in 2013 = 11,901
Hull V Leeds in 2012 = 11,677
% increase = +1.92%

London V Castleford in 2013 = 1,810
London V Castleford in 2012 = 2,381
% decrease = -23.98%

Hull KR V Bradford in 2013 = 7,259 **Friends for a fiver cheap ticket deal alert**
Hull KR V Bradford in 2012 = 7,486
% decrease = -3.03%

Warrington V Salford in 2013 = 9,560
Warrington V Salford in 2012 = 10,437
% decrease = -8.40%

Widnes V Catalan in 2013 = 4,560
Widnes V Catalan in 2012 = 4,684
% decrease = -2.65%

Wakefield V Wigan in 2013 = 8,459
Wakefield V Wigan in 2012 = 9,107
% decrease = -7.12%

Huddersfield V St Helens in 2013 =
Huddersfield V St Helens in 2012 = 9,194
% decrease = -43.41%

Total Attendance in SL Round 17 = 48,752
Total Attendance same fixtures last year = 54,966
% decrease = -11.31%

6 out of 7 fixtures in Round 17 have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the same SL fixtures last year.

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Out of 110 fixtures played thus far in 2013 (not including magic weekend fixtures), 26 out of 110 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year. 84 out of 110 fixtures have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:01 pm  

William Eve wrote:

SL Round 17 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year

Hull V Leeds in 2013 = 11,901
Hull V Leeds in 2012 = 11,677
% increase = +1.92%

London V Castleford in 2013 = 1,810
London V Castleford in 2012 = 2,381
% decrease = -23.98%

Hull KR V Bradford in 2013 = 7,259 **Friends for a fiver cheap ticket deal alert**
Hull KR V Bradford in 2012 = 7,486
% decrease = -3.03%

Warrington V Salford in 2013 = 9,560
Warrington V Salford in 2012 = 10,437
% decrease = -8.40%

Widnes V Catalan in 2013 = 4,560
Widnes V Catalan in 2012 = 4,684
% decrease = -2.65%

Wakefield V Wigan in 2013 = 8,459
Wakefield V Wigan in 2012 = 9,107
% decrease = -7.12%

Huddersfield V St Helens in 2013 =
Huddersfield V St Helens in 2012 = 9,194
% decrease = -43.41%

Total Attendance in SL Round 17 = 48,752
Total Attendance same fixtures last year = 54,966
% decrease = -11.31%

6 out of 7 fixtures in Round 17 have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the same SL fixtures last year.

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Out of 110 fixtures played thus far in 2013 (not including magic weekend fixtures), 26 out of 110 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year. 84 out of 110 fixtures have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year.

Oww no how is any team going to make a profit with all this massive decrease in attendance. not bored of this yet? or still happy to try and provoke reactions from fans on here? If your seriously concerned have you not reported all this to the RFL they might be happy for you to provide your time in analyzing data for them.