Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:09 pm  

Viva La Vikings!! wrote:

Do we know if the playoff games are included in the season tickets? Instead of getting 27 games we will now only get 23 games. A lot of difference really for the average paying fan.

A Widnes season ticket cost me 167 pound this year. Lets say next year we avoid the drop and the price is the same, potentially we could be forking out 167 pound plus:

3/4 extra home games at 20 pound a go.

(Cannot type the pound sign, using a foreign keyboard)

Also, just to clarify, what is the point of the bottom league of 8? If you win you dont win the championship league but nothing has been mentioned on relegation.

Well a season ticket for 11 games will cost less than one for 13, it's that simple

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:09 pm  

fevfan76 wrote:

and in the championship in footy, you could come 3rd by 12 points and end up in a playoff, while the team in 6th with 25 points less eventually gets promoted.

Not fair no, but its the rules and the footy playoffs have made a very dull end tot he season exciting.

I agree the situation you have said may not seem fair, but its will help put some life into a sport which has been dull for years. come the 23rd game there may be 4 teams able to secure 7/8 place. All with an hell of a lot more incentive to get there.

And if you finish 3rd in the FA championship you get and advantage over the teams which finished 4th, 5th, and 6th. The same in the SL playoffs. In this system your performance in the first 22rounds is entirely disregarded

Put another way, you are bottom, 10 points off 8th with 10 games to go, only 12 games into the season. You aren't realistically going to overtake 4 teams in 10 games, so are you going to go hell for leather for 80 min, for 10 games trying to qualify for a top 8 competition you aren't going to win risk fatigue and injury, or give up, keep your powder dry, rest players, put out a 2nd string and simply focus on not losing a million pounds in funding in those last 7 games?

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:10 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

Well a season ticket for 11 games will cost less than one for 13, it's that simple

So less guaranteed income for clubs at the beginning of the year?

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:10 pm  

UllFC wrote:

and after forking out your £267+ including many games of lesser quality, you might get the honour of watching your club 'win' the 2nd league of 8! I can hardly contain my excitement

The problem isn't with the 2nd league of 8, that's about avoiding relegation for the SL clubs and getting promotion for the Championship clubs (plus its hardly exciting finishing 10th, say, at the moment).
The problem is with the 3rd league of 8, playing for not much to be honest.

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:13 pm  

UllFC wrote:

and after forking out your £267+ including many games of lesser quality, you might get the honour of watching your club 'win' the 2nd league of 8! I can hardly contain my excitement

Exactly. forking out another 100 pound so to speak only for the outcome being is your team plays in the league the following season it already has been playing in.

I really would hate to see Championshpi clubs throwing all their eggs into one basket knowing that the possibility of promotion is on the cards, to later find out they will not get promotion and could go bust. Widnes did the exact same thing in 2007 and it really wasn't pretty.

People will say clubs will just have to manage their spends better, its all good and well saying that but now Leigh, sheffield, Halifax, Fev etc know they now have the potential to get promoted, the tempation of over spending may be all too much.

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:14 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

Well a season ticket for 11 games will cost less than one for 13, it's that simple

You don't know that, you really dont.

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:16 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

So less guaranteed income for clubs at the beginning of the year?

This system for me is riddled with flaws.

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:16 pm  

Bovrick wrote:

I think South American football does ok with divided seasons?

That's weak and you know it is. That's absolutely no different to what we have now, except 27 games are "discarded" if you don't make the top 8. And was someone (you?) seriously asking why you should bother trying to make the 8 when you can just come 12th... I mean really? Maybe something to do with trying to make the 8 being a worthwhile aim even if you don't manage it? After all, why try to come 2nd in the PL when you can just come 5th? or 17th?

There are actually decent arguments to be made against this system (and indeed ones for - money and lazy fans aside the incentive structure is way better than most leagues), there's really no need to be silly with slippery-slopes or being purely over-dramatic. It's hardly the end of the world is it?

actually the wider point I made on that was that a club could finish 9th and earn 20points, earn 6 in the 2nd part of the season and be relegated, another club could earn say 10points in the first part of the year, and only 8 in the second and stay up. So we would have a situation where a team earned 26 points in total and a much higher proportion in a much harder league being relegated in favour of a team who scored only 18 points in total with a higher proportion in a lesser league.

It would also incentivise a team with little chance of making the 8 to rest players for the 2nd part as their performance in the first part is irrelevant.

Not to mention the change in primary focus moving fro making the 8 to not being bottom 4 in the 2nd part of the league

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:17 pm  

Viva La Vikings!! wrote:

You don't know that, you really dont.

Are you for real? If they think they can get away with reducing the number of games without changing the price that they wouldn't be trying to increase the price when there were more games.

These guys are trying to make money ffs

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:17 pm  

Binosh wrote:

Im quite certain I didn't say they wouldn't give their all, but for once in a long time some of those players who run out game 1 will in the back of their mind know they need to perform unless they want to be playing on the slope at Fev or at the LSV.

You could threaten them with public execution, it won’t make a blind bit of difference, somebody has to finish in the bottom four.

Binosh wrote:

As a Rugby League fan do you not think 22 rounds of high intensity Super League games with meaningful outcomes might just be the slightest bit exciting for the fans?

Don't forget the "booby prize" is coming to play at Leigh???

Yes I’m as giddy as a kipper, especially with such jeopardy of four SL sides & four Championship sides playing a mini league, I couldn’t possibly guess the outcome.