Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun May 26, 2013 9:58 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Rugby League needs to learn from Rugby Union in the UK and fast!

You can throw your usual crap out there but if you continue to extract Rugby League from its context then you won't get very far. RL is a minority regional sport which punches above its weight. Everyone wishes it were a national sport with a wider following and few don't want to make it so; but beating the sport up because it is what it always has been is pointless and tiresome.
I know in gutterfaxland Rugby League can be removed from its place in the world and transformed overnight into a sporting colossus, maybe through a few posters in a pub or flowers on a roundabout. In the real world, it isn't that simple. Being Rugby League isn't easy.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Sun May 26, 2013 11:42 pm  

Him wrote:

No it doesn't. The Aviva Premiership averaged nearly 12,500 last year. SL averaged roughly 10,500. That's a 19% higher average for the Aviva Premiership, which includes several one-off games at Twickers and Wembley and is somewhat distorted by high crowds at Leicester.

8,500/12,500 = 47%. SL is currently averaging 8,500....Aviva just finished on 12,500.

As for the "event" games run by the RFU, I would suggest that the reason they "distort" is because they are actually attended Magic Weekend is on the doorstep of most RL fans and yet, even with tickets starting for the price of a happy meal, 30k seems to be the ceiling.

And as for Leciester.....you could say the same about the SL average once you pull Leeds out of the equation.

MjM wrote:

Being Rugby League isn't easy.

If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.......and in Gutterfaxland, hard work gets results and keeps clients happy.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon May 27, 2013 12:20 am  

gutterfax wrote:

8,500/12,500 = 47%. SL is currently averaging 8,500....Aviva just finished on 12,500.

As for the "event" games run by the RFU, I would suggest that the reason they "distort" is because they are actually attended Magic Weekend is on the doorstep of most RL fans and yet, even with tickets starting for the price of a happy meal, 30k seems to be the ceiling.

And as for Leciester.....you could say the same about the SL average once you pull Leeds out of the equation.

If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.......and in Gutterfaxland, hard work gets results and keeps clients happy.

Why are you comparing a partial season average with a full season? That's daft. As is comparing the Heineken Cup to the Challenge Cup. You would actually be better comparing the Heineken Cup to the World Club Challenge.
Yes, and I'm not criticising those event games, good on the RFU for doing them and packing people in. But as you yourself described them, they are event games and don't reflect the general attendances. The same goes for Leicester because they are so far ahead of most other Aviva Premiership clubs. The same doesn't really apply to League as there isn't 1 club way above the others in terms of attendances. I'd be interested to see what the AP average was excluding Leicester, I'm willing to bet its not far off the SL full season average.
But that still doesn't take away from the fact that whilst there is plenty of slack RL needs to take up, RL has significantly more challenges than RU, yet is still comparable domestically.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon May 27, 2013 6:35 am  

105 pages of drivel and Admin claim they are promoting rugby league.Who does more harm to rugby league,rlfans.com or gutterfax?

A fantastic weekend of rugby enjoyed by everyone but the man from the gutter.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon May 27, 2013 7:56 am  

MjM wrote:

You can throw your usual crap out there but if you continue to extract Rugby League from its context then you won't get very far. RL is a minority regional sport which punches above its weight. Everyone wishes it were a national sport with a wider following and few don't want to make it so; but beating the sport up because it is what it always has been is pointless and tiresome.
I know in gutterfaxland Rugby League can be removed from its place in the world and transformed overnight into a sporting colossus, maybe through a few posters in a pub or flowers on a roundabout. In the real world, it isn't that simple. Being Rugby League isn't easy.

You must admit though, MjM, gutterfax (no relation!) does have a very valid point!

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon May 27, 2013 7:58 am  

UllFC wrote:

Still down on 2012 though.

Saturday: 30,793 (2012: 30,763)
Sunday: 31,249 (2012: 32,953)

Attended yesterday and last year and enjoyed both occasions, but questions have to be raised as to why no progress has been made in terms of crowds and where this event is heading.

Tickets are already as cheap as they can realistically get for a major event, the weather for 2012 and this weekend was good and the RFL have marketed the event for months.

This isn't good no matter how you dress it up.

The crowds are no bigger then Cardiff. Year on year decline should be a worry for the RFL.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon May 27, 2013 10:37 am  

kobashi wrote:

Year on year decline should be a worry for the RFL.

I'm sure it would be if it were happening at Magic Weekend...

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon May 27, 2013 11:25 am  

I'd rather English RL learnt from Australian RL, it is far far more successful than English RU! If your going to have a role model pick the best, not something that is facing the same problems you have.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon May 27, 2013 3:57 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

8,500/12,500 = 47%. SL is currently averaging 8,500....Aviva just finished on 12,500.

As for the "event" games run by the RFU, I would suggest that the reason they "distort" is because they are actually attended Magic Weekend is on the doorstep of most RL fans and yet, even with tickets starting for the price of a happy meal, 30k seems to be the ceiling.

And as for Leciester.....you could say the same about the SL average once you pull Leeds out of the equation.

If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.......and in Gutterfaxland, hard work gets results and keeps clients happy.

Erm...which club has had the highest average attendance over the last few years. Ill give you a clue, it aint Leeds.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon May 27, 2013 10:11 pm  

Speccy wrote:

105 pages of drivel and Admin claim they are promoting rugby league.Who does more harm to rugby league,rlfans.com or gutterfax?

A fantastic weekend of rugby enjoyed by everyone but the man from the gutter.

If I can do harm to rugby league by posting my opinion on an internet forum then the game is in worse shape than I thought

JB Down Under wrote:

I'd rather English RL learnt from Australian RL, it is far far more successful than English RU! If your going to have a role model pick the best, not something that is facing the same problems you have.

Fair point. Problem is, where Union is ahead of League in the UK, the ARL/NRL is lightyears ahead of the RFL. When I say "learn from the RFU" I simply mean the way they market themselves and offer strong leadership.....the RFL do come across as a very amateur organisation by comparrison.

The NRL can dictate to media and broadcast partners.....the RFL seem almost apologetic in their dealings with them.