Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:33 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

County cricket's most watched and most money-spinning competition is played on a licensed system. No relegation or promotion.

And I'm not picking a fight. Just pointing out the obvious.

Oh, and you never answered my question.

So, not County Cricket then?

The RFL and clubs need to increase the player pool, not fudge a sporting competition.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:48 pm  

IR80 wrote:

So, not County Cricket then?

The RFL and clubs need to increase the player pool, not fudge a sporting competition.

Seriously, how do you increase the player pool, as we are already struggling to find enough quality to warrant having 12 teams?

I've already read someone suggesting increasing the league from 12 to 14 - that will just dilute further what is already a poor quality of RL... More realistically, the league needs cutting to 10 and the division below needs to be a feeder for that higher league.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:28 pm  

I saw a quote the other day that said that the most dangerous person is the one who cannot imagine that they might be wrong. That would seem a fair summary of some posters on here. Different sports have other criteria for organising the playing structure. Most of us were brought up with promotion and relegation which is at least simple and obvious but as sports science has moved on the promoted team has almost no chance of staying up without a big cheque book.
Franchises provided a certain amount of stability but without the possibility of earning promotion and are frequently called unfair on here.
We also do not have enough big backers to be really radical and think outside the box now our one flashy display, Toronto, seems to have gone down the pan.
We seem to have come back to the idea that we would be best served by promoting a team that lies so close to at least one other SuperLeague team that away fans could make the on foot.
Personally I like the idea of Toulouse. If not Toulouse then a large urban area like Newcastle could provide new supporters. We seemed to be doing so well in London but managed to make a mess of that by never fully settling.
Ultimately I worry that The Championship is too cash poor to support development of players and to afford promotion. It is a shame than the game as a whole cannot afford a much expanded SuperLeague with a funded Sl1 and SL2 to allow both ring fencing as well as promotion and relegation. Sadly, at the end of the day, what do I know?

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:36 pm  

Give it to Fev where hopefully I'll be able to see them take a few hidings.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:51 pm  

Levrier wrote:

I saw a quote the other day that said that the most dangerous person is the one who cannot imagine that they might be wrong. That would seem a fair summary of some posters on here. Different sports have other criteria for organising the playing structure. Most of us were brought up with promotion and relegation which is at least simple and obvious but as sports science has moved on the promoted team has almost no chance of staying up without a big cheque book.
Franchises provided a certain amount of stability but without the possibility of earning promotion and are frequently called unfair on here.
We also do not have enough big backers to be really radical and think outside the box now our one flashy display, Toronto, seems to have gone down the pan.
We seem to have come back to the idea that we would be best served by promoting a team that lies so close to at least one other SuperLeague team that away fans could make the on foot.
Personally I like the idea of Toulouse. If not Toulouse then a large urban area like Newcastle could provide new supporters. We seemed to be doing so well in London but managed to make a mess of that by never fully settling.
Ultimately I worry that The Championship is too cash poor to support development of players and to afford promotion. It is a shame than the game as a whole cannot afford a much expanded SuperLeague with a funded Sl1 and SL2 to allow both ring fencing as well as promotion and relegation. Sadly, at the end of the day, what do I know?

A darn sight more than the trolls on here that's for sure.

When backed by significant funds Newcastle playing as Gateshead came fifth in Superleague in 1999 winning 19 of their 30 matches, 6,600 for Bradford.

Kurdi is a multi-£Millionaire and has developed a sizeable player development system that could go on top of that sort of performance. If people want expansion that is it.

If Kurdi is ignored when Argyle got flagged all the way into Superleague with his phoney club and couldn't care less attitude, then you can safely say expansion is dead. What more do so called "expansionists" want?

Do post more........

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:05 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

A darn sight more than the trolls on here that's for sure.

When backed by significant funds Newcastle playing as Gateshead came fifth in Superleague in 1999 winning 19 of their 30 matches, 6,600 for Bradford.

Kurdi is a multi-£Millionaire and has developed a sizeable player development system that could go on top of that sort of performance. If people want expansion that is it.

If Kurdi is ignored when Argyle got flagged all the way into Superleague with his phoney club and couldn't care less attitude, then you can safely say expansion is dead. What more do so called "expansionists" want?

Do post more........

Oh dear.When Gateshead parachuted a squad of players from Australia into Super League people like yourself were very critical of them.
The incompetent and inept governing body,at that time,wanted to rescue a M62 club,so Gateshead were swallowed up by Hull FC.
You do recall your comments about the other code in Canada? Well Kurdi owns a union club and the much maligned Argyle has spent more,over the past 3/4 years on rugby league, than Kurdi has.

You will need another private conversation with Lenagan to gain the support for Thunder.With Mick Hogan being on Tyneside there may be a slight chance.There again,with the money invested into Bradford by the governing body there may be opposition.

The M62 folk really have given the sport the air of respectability.The decisions in 2020 continue to make the sport a laughing stock.

How will the attendances improve in 2021?

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:23 am  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Seriously, how do you increase the player pool, as we are already struggling to find enough quality to warrant having 12 teams?

I've already read someone suggesting increasing the league from 12 to 14 - that will just dilute further what is already a poor quality of RL... More realistically, the league needs cutting to 10 and the division below needs to be a feeder for that higher league.

Someone suggesting something isn't really anything more than a personal opinion probably based on what they would like to see. For a better indication of where it could go, go back to Superleague's publicly announced and voted on plan to create a Superleague of 2x10 clubs with P&R between. The new SKY deal may well bring this back on the table.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:32 am  

[quote="Ornery Optimist".When Gateshead parachuted a squad of players from Australia into Super League people like yourself were very critical of them.[/quote]

Not about me at all, and your wrong anyway. Richardson may have had to use a lot of antipodeans to get started, but the club now has a full English player development system and a backer with a great track record. What Newcastle offer fits the bill in all ways especially "expansion" and "local player development" plus some more SKY Sports subs from the North East.

Put simply people scream expansion only when it involves pie in the SKY fantasies. When it includes all the things the game wants from an expansion club "people like you" don't wanna know End of conversation.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:45 am  

Donnyman wrote:

Someone suggesting something isn't really anything more than a personal opinion probably based on what they would like to see.

You admit it then? about time.

Disagreeing with you does not make anyone a troll, starting multiple anti-expansion fantasy based threads does.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:19 am  

Donnyman wrote:

Someone suggesting something isn't really anything more than a personal opinion probably based on what they would like to see. For a better indication of where it could go, go back to Superleague's publicly announced and voted on plan to create a Superleague of 2x10 clubs with P&R between. The new SKY deal may well bring this back on the table.

A good idea, if only we had the required pool of quality players and financial backers at the various clubs in order to make it happen.

Unfortunately, all we would probably get is what we have now, which is 2 or 3 clubs yo-yoing between the divisions on a regular basis, because the more financially stable clubs in SL1 would tie up the top level players in order to ensure their place in the elite league, while your 'mid-level' players would simply play out the annual promotion/relegation merry-go-round at the mid level clubs.

Ultimately, our choice appears to be a small elite league of high(ish) quality RL, supported by a feeder system below, or an over inflated, low quality top league - pretty much what we had become pre SL.