Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:03 pm  

Finfin wrote:

So the bottom line is that the players will play more games for the same money, and fans will have to shell out for a lot more games outside of their season tickets.

That's the gist of it, but to be fair to those involved, they've said that the aim is to get clubs more money from the start

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:03 pm  

I've probably missed this and am being too lazy to read the entire thread, but have I understood this correctly...after the split to 8s you all start with zero points again? Hope not, that's ridiculous.

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:04 pm  

RLBandit wrote:

I've probably missed this and am being too lazy to read the entire thread, but have I understood this correctly...after the split to 8s you all start with zero points again? Hope not, that's ridiculous.

Not in the top 8,

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:04 pm  

Do we know if the playoff games are included in the season tickets? Instead of getting 27 games we will now only get 23 games. A lot of difference really for the average paying fan.

A Widnes season ticket cost me 167 pound this year. Lets say next year we avoid the drop and the price is the same, potentially we could be forking out 167 pound plus:

3/4 extra home games at 20 pound a go.

(Cannot type the pound sign, using a foreign keyboard)

Also, just to clarify, what is the point of the bottom league of 8? If you win you dont win the championship league but nothing has been mentioned on relegation.

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:06 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

Not in the top 8,

Ah, OK, thanks. That makes a bit more sense at least.

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:06 pm  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

I was really pleased when I heard that promotion / relegation was going to return, it gives fans of all clubs their chance to dream.

But if supporters of clubs from outside S.L think this gimmick is manna from heaven, think again.

It’s like the drawbridge has been lowered, only to be slaughtered at the gate.

we'll see

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:06 pm  

Bull Mania wrote:

An I right in thinking after the split there's "a round robin" between the 8. Then a play-off system for a GF. Or are these details to be confirmed? If it is a round robin how do they expect families to pay £20 each 7 weeks in a row and then GF tickets? Madness.

As I understand it there will be the 23 regular rounds (22 home & away games plus the magic weekend). Then it will split into the 8's.
Taking the top 8 - Each team would play the other 7 in the 8. After that the top 4 enter the playoff semis, the bottom 4 are out. 1st v 4th, 2nd v 3rd and then the Grand Final. Gives a total of 32 games if a team makes it to the Grand Final.

Currently there's 27 regular season games plus a max of 4 play off games, obviously giving 31 games.

You're right it will be difficult for some people to find the money for a potential of 9 paid for games. But then it's up to clubs to come up with ways of helping people. I'm sure there can be some scheme where you can at the end of the regular season buy a "mini" season ticket for the 7 games and then just pay for the 2 play off games. Or include it on your main season ticket at the start of the season at reduced rates.

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:07 pm  

Wildmoose wrote:

I'll give it 2-3 years before it's changed again.

Is there another competition in any sport that successfully uses this formula?

If the answer's no there's probably a reason.

I think South American football does ok with divided seasons?

SmokeyTA wrote:

Under this structure you can earn 20 points in the 22 games, if you dont qualify for the 8, those wins are completely discarded

That's weak and you know it is. That's absolutely no different to what we have now, except 27 games are "discarded" if you don't make the top 8. And was someone (you?) seriously asking why you should bother trying to make the 8 when you can just come 12th... I mean really? Maybe something to do with trying to make the 8 being a worthwhile aim even if you don't manage it? After all, why try to come 2nd in the PL when you can just come 5th? or 17th?

There are actually decent arguments to be made against this system (and indeed ones for - money and lazy fans aside the incentive structure is way better than most leagues), there's really no need to be silly with slippery-slopes or being purely over-dramatic. It's hardly the end of the world is it?

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:07 pm  

Viva La Vikings!! wrote:

Do we know if the playoff games are included in the season tickets? Instead of getting 27 games we will now only get 23 games. A lot of difference really for the average paying fan.

A Widnes season ticket cost me 167 pound this year. Lets say next year we avoid the drop and the price is the same, potentially we could be forking out 167 pound plus:

3/4 extra home games at 20 pound a go.

(Cannot type the pound sign, using a foreign keyboard)

Also, just to clarify, what is the point of the bottom league of 8? If you win you dont win the championship league but nothing has been mentioned on relegation.

and after forking out your £267+ including many games of lesser quality, you might get the honour of watching your club 'win' the 2nd league of 8! I can hardly contain my excitement

Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:09 pm  

Viva La Vikings!! wrote:

Do we know if the playoff games are included in the season tickets? Instead of getting 27 games we will now only get 23 games. A lot of difference really for the average paying fan.

A Widnes season ticket cost me 167 pound this year. Lets say next year we avoid the drop and the price is the same, potentially we could be forking out 167 pound plus:

3/4 extra home games at 20 pound a go.

(Cannot type the pound sign, using a foreign keyboard)

Also, just to clarify, what is the point of the bottom league of 8? If you win you dont win the championship league but nothing has been mentioned on relegation.

Thats cheap for a season ticket