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Re: Championship Final - Featherstone vs Leigh : Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:21 pm  
Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:
Erm we aren’t in the championship just yet.

I think Workington might have something to say about that.

Let’s see how we fair on Sunday first.
yep be nice to see a Cambrian side do well :D
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Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.

Re: Championship Final - Featherstone vs Leigh : Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:51 pm  
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A 55% cut in central funding is huge and despite the brave positive words, Fev (and Leigh) must be hurting like hell financially.
The Championship will be a great comp next season, with Fev, Leigh, Bradford, York, Toulouse all fighting hard for the coveted SL spot.
Leigh are being liquidated and will be lucky to make it to the start of next season, let alone stay up with the inevitable points deduction.
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£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:

Re: Championship Final - Featherstone vs Leigh : Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:19 pm  
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Leigh are being liquidated and will be lucky to make it to the start of next season, let alone stay up with the inevitable points deduction.


Sadly it does look that way. It's never nice to see a club go to the wall, but it does highlight the situation we find ourselves as a sport in the UK. Either we atract more revenue through fans, sponsors and media rights, all have a sugar daddy, or cut a cloth accordingly.
Halifax would seem to be the prime example of what can be done, whilst Leigh are a sad example of what happens when the sugar daddy decides he's had enough....
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Re: Championship Final - Featherstone vs Leigh : Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:04 pm  
Leigh are a long way from liquidation. Even if it's as bad as some would like to believe the next step would be administration. Someone will pick the club up for a song and they'll continue, probably in L1, but they will continue.
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Re: Championship Final - Featherstone vs Leigh : Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:14 pm  
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Sadly it does look that way. It's never nice to see a club go to the wall, but it does highlight the situation we find ourselves as a sport in the UK. Either we atract more revenue through fans, sponsors and media rights, all have a sugar daddy, or cut a cloth accordingly.
Halifax would seem to be the prime example of what can be done, whilst Leigh are a sad example of what happens when the sugar daddy decides he's had enough....
remarkable comments yet while we have turned our selves around you'd like to see us replaced by Toronto
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King Street Cat wrote:
Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.

Re: Championship Final - Featherstone vs Leigh : Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:41 pm  
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Leigh are a long way from liquidation. Even if it's as bad as some would like to believe the next step would be administration. Someone will pick the club up for a song and they'll continue, probably in L1, but they will continue.
No, the players have been told that the club will be liquidated and all contracts will be void. Presumably a measure from Beaumont to try and cover his back and clear debts. He's also no longer paying the players despite saying he would, which is why they could only field 13 on Sunday (and they all played for free).
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£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:

Re: Championship Final - Featherstone vs Leigh : Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:48 pm  
[quote="snowie"]remarkable comments yet while we have turned our selves around you'd like to see us replaced by Toronto[/quote
"US" as in wakefield I assume?
The real litmus test would have been increasing SL to 14 sides this year, but the loss of £250,000 of the £1,800,000 would cripple clubs like you and Salford because rather than build support, you have your greedy little hands out and will spend on survival (again) rather than growth.
I'd be happy to take a Punt on Toronto or Toulouse instead of Wakefield......if you're such a strong part of the community, you'll survive, but having your hands out for Sky cash and hoping for a "charity built" stadium are just dragging the sport backwards.

I include my club in this as well. London beating Toronto at the weekend will be brilliant as a fan, but a friggin' disaster for SL.

Still, well done Wakefield on surviving again....Leeds being in free fall bailed you and Huddersfield out of a tight spot
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Re: Championship Final - Featherstone vs Leigh : Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:22 am  
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No, the players have been told that the club will be liquidated and all contracts will be void. Presumably a measure from Beaumont to try and cover his back and clear debts. He's also no longer paying the players despite saying he would, which is why they could only field 13 on Sunday (and they all played for free).


I cannot see any alternative to liquidation and a fresh start in League 1, if anyone feels its worth the effort, that is. There are too many lawsuits by former and current players for any potential investor to take the risk. A new club would be comfortably the biggest in that division and (should they be able to attract players given recent player payment issues!) would be strong favourites to go back up, unless there was some sort of points deduction and financial penalty. From there, it would be mid-table mediocrity in the Championship for the foreseeable future and crowds of 1500. Might be just best to pick Leigh Miners or Leigh East and enjoy local lads playing the amateur game, without enduring all the tinpot running of the 'professional' element of the sport!


As for Beaumont, what he has done to the club is unforgiveable.
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Re: Championship Final - Featherstone vs Leigh : Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:40 am  
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yep be nice to see a Cambrian side do well :D


Aren’t Barrow already in the championship?

That’s super duper league fans for you. No idea about anything outside of the elite environment of Wakefield. :wink:
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Re: Championship Final - Featherstone vs Leigh : Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:46 am  
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I cannot see any alternative to liquidation and a fresh start in League 1, if anyone feels its worth the effort, that is. There are too many lawsuits by former and current players for any potential investor to take the risk. A new club would be comfortably the biggest in that division and (should they be able to attract players given recent player payment issues!) would be strong favourites to go back up, unless there was some sort of points deduction and financial penalty. From there, it would be mid-table mediocrity in the Championship for the foreseeable future and crowds of 1500. Might be just best to pick Leigh Miners or Leigh East and enjoy local lads playing the amateur game, without enduring all the tinpot running of the 'professional' element of the sport!


As for Beaumont, what he has done to the club is unforgiveable.


I feel for you mate and it’s sickening.

I doubt it’ll come to liquidation. Administration maybe - new owner then gets to pay a bit more to the people they want to deal with again and bin off any debts.

Start next season on minus 6 in the championship and possibly a deduction in central funding.

Keeping my fingers crossed. The owners are only ever custodians of the club but it’s the fans that get the sh17 end of the stick. Plus the crappy comments from know all fans of other clubs. As if you have any idea about the accounts of the club.

You’ll be right I’m sure.
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