Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:44 pm  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

Presumably he wants a "Steve Gill" style cake?

The "Steve Gill style cake" doesn't involve 15 million pounds of ratepayers money though does it.

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:53 pm  

All right for some to ground share with a football team though isn't Jools?

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:55 pm  

Also when you have Cas fan led corrupt Council it's a bit hard to get a new stadium over the line.

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:01 pm  

Chris.Taylor wrote:

Blame the council. Rah rah rah.

Never Trinity's fault

Pre Carter era I would've agreed with your petty, small village syndrome comment. But since he took over the club have pushed and pushed for the Newmarket stadium to go through only to be met with incompetence and refusal from the Council.

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:11 pm  

Willzay wrote:

All right for some to ground share with a football team though isn't Jools?

Yes- a stadium we pay rent for.

This reminds me of a situation in Huddersfield recently.
Syngenta (old ICI) owned an old mansion house called Dalton grange. Was used as a social club by Workers. Over time the company shrank and the members declined.
A couple lived and were custodians of the building. When the social club closed down the couple were allowed to stay.
They then started to run a business from the mansion house hosting weddings and other functions.
They lived rent free, Syngenta paid all the bills and maintenance for the property. So they lived for nothing and made money out of the building they paid nothing for.
Syngenta decided to sell the building and the couple refused to leave - Syngenta spent thousands and 4 years getting them evicted!
This couple couldn't understand why they shouldn't be allowed to live rent free and make money whilst it COST Syngenta. I'm sure you'd agree it was a daft situation.
Why should the taxpayers of wakefield pay for a tiny minority to be entertained and another company to make money. Just as daft!

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:14 pm  

Willzay wrote:

Pre Carter era I would've agreed with your petty, small village syndrome comment. But since he took over the club have pushed and pushed for the Newmarket stadium to go through only to be met with incompetence and refusal from the Council.

Of course they are refusing! We are currently going through austerity- people would rather millions be spent on local social services, schools etc!

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:15 pm  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

Every other club in SL has had to make arrangements to play in fit fir purpose stadiums. Sometimes at a cost the club has struggled to bear.

Have they? Really? They've all piggy-backed other developments.

A brief history, if it helps:
- developer gets sweetened land deal on the back of a promise to council to build a stadium (as has happened elsewhere)
- once land is developed, developer refuses to build
- Council agrees to further development outside scope of original promise so doesn't have to enforce promise
- Belle Vue goes up for sale. Trinity told not to bid for it as will be bought by original developer to fulfil promise
- original developer does not bid for it and bought by someone else
- new owner wants to develop and is promising to rebuild stadium as the sweetener
- club owner senses another trap and say want it on the terms promised by the original developer that got the very first sweetened land deal
- Council spit out dummy

Complicating factors:
- council run by a Castleford season ticket holder who seems intent on shafting Trinity
- a prominent person on the original Trust that had the job of delivering the stadium left and was said to be setting up his own Trust
- talk is now of "commercial rent"

The one thing that is different now is that the club is no longer willing to be taken for a mug by people who see the desire for a new stadium as a way of furthering their own agenda/profits/schemes.

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:15 pm  

Whatever was "promised" on Newmarket doesn't transfer to a scheme to re-develop Belle Vue. That is the stumbling block. Because WT were shafted by Yorkcourt Properties doesn't mean the council and ratepayers have to foot the bill no matter how much Carter stamps his feet.

The two defining acts which has led to this shambles are A) Ted Richardson selling the club and stadium under the fans noses and B) failure to see Sir Rodney Walker sign off the agreement regarding Newcold which you were all warned about before the event.

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:23 pm  

It's clear from the article where the stumbling block is.

The council have clearly offered to re-develop the stadium, the offer is still there as I read it.

Wakey simply want a free shiny new ground, p[ay nothing towards the cost of it, keep all the revenue from it and pay sod all back in rent for the privilege. Simples

Re: Wakey stadium plans collapse- again. : Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:28 pm  

Tigerade wrote:

Whatever was "promised" on Newmarket doesn't transfer to a scheme to re-develop Belle Vue. That is the stumbling block. Because WT were shafted by Yorkcourt Properties doesn't mean the council and ratepayers have to foot the bill no matter how much Carter stamps his feet.

The two defining acts which has led to this shambles are A) Ted Richardson selling the club and stadium under the fans noses and B) failure to see Sir Rodney Walker sign off the agreement regarding Newcold which you were all warned about before the event.

Those are two crucial events that led to the debacle, and it's interesting that one of the people you mentioned is still floating around the whole thing, but the club in its current guise have acted properly throughout and are being shafted by people with different agendas.

You and I both know that the most recent Council statement is all down to the Council kicking off because Trinity are not rolling over and being taken for mugs again. As has been said by the club on countless occasions, they want nothing more than has been promised to them for years, promises that have certainly benefited immensely those who made the empty promises as well as the ratepayers of Wakefield.