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Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:49 pm  
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Rumours coming out of Sthelens that 4 clubs have walked out of the meeting already


I didn't realise pigeons could fly that fast.
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Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:01 pm  
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Rumours coming out of Sthelens that 4 clubs have walked out of the meeting already


They have now returned after lunch and a pint in the nearby Wetherspoons ;-)
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Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:01 pm  
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Agree, but do they need to put forward an alternative? Why not just do a simple format of 12, teams, play each other twice home and away and have one up one down. This seems to work well for all other sports in this country and worked pretty damn well for us.



Think problem with that idea is there wouldn't be enough games in season and it would hit clubs financially. at moment in SL theres a guaranteed 13 home games before you include any challenge cup or playoff gates. With 12 team home and away idea you lose two guaranteed home gates and get 11 guaranteed home games. Under Split proposal clubs get guaranteed 14 home gates albeit 3 of those could be against SL2 sides rather than SL1 sides.
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Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:10 pm  
Maybe they walked out because they did not fancy the breakfast, but the lunch menu was much better.
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Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:14 pm  
10 clubs to have a vote. 8 votes required to pass any vote
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I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls


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Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:17 pm  
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Think problem with that idea is there wouldn't be enough games in season and it would hit clubs financially. at moment in SL theres a guaranteed 13 home games before you include any challenge cup or playoff gates. With 12 team home and away idea you lose two guaranteed home gates and get 11 guaranteed home games. Under Split proposal clubs get guaranteed 14 home gates albeit 3 of those could be against SL2 sides rather than SL1 sides.


Personally, those clubs need to realise that opportunities to make money don't just exist on 13 weekends in the summer. The game has bigger opportunities to exploit.

The World Cup showed me just how much I enjoyed elite international rugby. The England v NZ semi final, infront of £60k at Wembley was an amazing event. I want to pay good money for more of that.

Unfortunately, I'm not allowed. Because some clubs insist on making people watch more of Wakefield v London or Salford v Castleford instead, arguably at the expense of a proper, quality rep calendar.

It's completely backwards.
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Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:42 pm  
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Personally, those clubs need to realise that opportunities to make money don't just exist on 13 weekends in the summer. The game has bigger opportunities to exploit.

The World Cup showed me just how much I enjoyed elite international rugby. The England v NZ semi final, infront of £60k at Wembley was an amazing event. I want to pay good money for more of that.

Unfortunately, I'm not allowed. Because some clubs insist on making people watch more of Wakefield v London or Salford v Castleford instead, arguably at the expense of a proper, quality rep calendar.

It's completely backwards.


Although I understand what you are saying, we only have 3 international teams that significant numbers of supporters would pay to go and see.
What sort of international programme do you want ?

They could of course extend the WCC to incorporate the top 2,3 or 4 clubs from England and Aus and people would pay to see this, but, we would need the Aussies on board and this would widen the gap still further between the top 4 and the rest.

Unless the top 10 in SL want to play each other 3 times a season (plus cup games & play offs) we can only tinker with the format.

Just going back to "The Big Hit", the first game was utterly superb but, equally, the second game was awful and was played in front of an empty stadium.

The only solution long term is to help the French develop into a competitive RL nation.
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Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:43 pm  
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Personally, those clubs need to realise that opportunities to make money don't just exist on 13 weekends in the summer. The game has bigger opportunities to exploit.

The World Cup showed me just how much I enjoyed elite international rugby. The England v NZ semi final, infront of £60k at Wembley was an amazing event. I want to pay good money for more of that.

Unfortunately, I'm not allowed. Because some clubs insist on making people watch more of Wakefield v London or Salford v Castleford instead, arguably at the expense of a proper, quality rep calendar.

It's completely backwards.


So if SL alone shortens its regular season, the international game will be saved? Cool, lets all sign up.
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Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:44 pm  
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Personally, those clubs need to realise that opportunities to make money don't just exist on 13 weekends in the summer. The game has bigger opportunities to exploit.

The World Cup showed me just how much I enjoyed elite international rugby. The England v NZ semi final, infront of £60k at Wembley was an amazing event. I want to pay good money for more of that.

Unfortunately, I'm not allowed. Because some clubs insist on making people watch more of Wakefield v London or Salford v Castleford instead, arguably at the expense of a proper, quality rep calendar.

It's completely backwards.



Agreed. I think a regular international calendar would be hugely beneficial to the game. A 12 team SL gives us an opportunity to work towards that. The window of opportunity to benefit from the WC isn't infinite, and we should make changes now to benefit hte international game. It also means that Sky money is divided amonst fewer teams at the top, so this could cover the loss of income from playing less games.
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Re: Today's big decision : Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:19 pm  
bramleyrhino wrote:
Personally, those clubs need to realise that opportunities to make money don't just exist on 13 weekends in the summer. The game has bigger opportunities to exploit.

The World Cup showed me just how much I enjoyed elite international rugby. The England v NZ semi final, infront of £60k at Wembley was an amazing event. I want to pay good money for more of that.

Unfortunately, I'm not allowed. Because some clubs insist on making people watch more of Wakefield v London or Salford v Castleford instead, arguably at the expense of a proper, quality rep calendar.

It's completely backwards.

Doesn't the England V Exiles concept satisfy your craving for elite 'international' rugby league?
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