Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:50 am  

Trainman wrote:

I was just using Widnes as an example. Whether they deserve to be in SL is a separate debate.

I feel as a sport we need to make some real tough decisions to move forward. Franchises would allow those decisions to be made.

Set a minimum criteria to apply. The league then decides whether to approve & expand the league or not based on the application and the potential benefits to the sport. Any team that is admitted then has the security to build strong foundations and grow.

I was a massive fan of Licencing, but they really did mess it up....by "they", I mean both the RFL and the SL Chairme and Owners. If we are to return to it, then there needs to be a clear understanding of why it's coming back and the method of being promoted or demoted from it.
If we are doing it to secure the games future, then fine, but if it's just to protect the "average" SL clubs, then I'd steer clear.

Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:18 am  

Call Me God wrote:

I was a massive fan of Licencing, but they really did mess it up....by "they", I mean both the RFL and the SL Chairme and Owners. If we are to return to it, then there needs to be a clear understanding of why it's coming back and the method of being promoted or demoted from it.
If we are doing it to secure the games future, then fine, but if it's just to protect the "average" SL clubs, then I'd steer clear.

Agree completely. It’s one of the many things the RFL did badly.

Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:43 am  

Trainman wrote:

Agree completely. It’s one of the many things the RFL did badly.

The list of things they have done well is blumin short!

Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:29 am  

Just want to throw my two cents worth in as a Widnes fan.

I thought licensing was the right way to go, I thought we as a club were gradually building, bringing through our own players, and slowly catching up with the big clubs.

We had been, in my opinion, harshly treated twice by the RFL, firstly missing out on the original SL to clubs such as Workington and Oldham, when I thought we had a lot more to offer, and again when we were overlooked for the Crusaders. Much as I would have loved for them to succeed and spread the game at the top level, it felt at the time as though the RFL/Sky were being bullied by their owner into including them.

All this pales into insignificance when you look at how we are being currently treated.

Our previous custodians, Steve O'Connor, his brother Brian and our fabulous CEO James Rule have slowly drained the club of all funds over the last few years, to the extent where at the time of our entry into admin we had around £750 in the bank.

Looking at our playing squads over the last few years it's blatantly obvious that they weren't overspending on players, we've been awful for the best part of three years, the money was just going on salaries for themselves.

Our current problems have come about from all the season ticket money raised and the percentage of parachute payment received disappearing before the season got going. On the back of this we have had the rest of the parachute money withheld as well as £70k of funding for the academy, which is the only decent thing to have come out of out time in SL and, without which, we wouldn't be fielding the majority of this years side.

I understand we need to be punished but having the points deduction, which will cost us money for next year due to a lower finishing position, and then the other monies withheld feels like a triple whammy.

It's a horrible time to be a Vikings fan, we are constantly putting our hands in our pockets to help try and maintain our club, while the people who put us in to this position seem to have got away scot free, and the powers that be seem quit happy to watch us die a slow painful death.

Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:37 am  

The Horses Mouth wrote:

Just want to throw my two cents worth in as a Widnes fan.

I thought licensing was the right way to go, I thought we as a club were gradually building, bringing through our own players, and slowly catching up with the big clubs.

We had been, in my opinion, harshly treated twice by the RFL, firstly missing out on the original SL to clubs such as Workington and Oldham, when I thought we had a lot more to offer, and again when we were overlooked for the Crusaders. Much as I would have loved for them to succeed and spread the game at the top level, it felt at the time as though the RFL/Sky were being bullied by their owner into including them.

All this pales into insignificance when you look at how we are being currently treated.

Our previous custodians, Steve O'Connor, his brother Brian and our fabulous CEO James Rule have slowly drained the club of all funds over the last few years, to the extent where at the time of our entry into admin we had around £750 in the bank.

Looking at our playing squads over the last few years it's blatantly obvious that they weren't overspending on players, we've been awful for the best part of three years, the money was just going on salaries for themselves.

Our current problems have come about from all the season ticket money raised and the percentage of parachute payment received disappearing before the season got going. On the back of this we have had the rest of the parachute money withheld as well as £70k of funding for the academy, which is the only decent thing to have come out of out time in SL and, without which, we wouldn't be fielding the majority of this years side.

I understand we need to be punished but having the points deduction, which will cost us money for next year due to a lower finishing position, and then the other monies withheld feels like a triple whammy.

It's a horrible time to be a Vikings fan, we are constantly putting our hands in our pockets to help try and maintain our club, while the people who put us in to this position seem to have got away scot free, and the powers that be seem quit happy to watch us die a slow painful death.

Of course a Widnes fan would say licensing worked, you got promoted from 5th in the final season with having a team that was nowhere near the standard of the league leaders at the time.

Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:06 am  

Chris.Taylor wrote:

Of course a Widnes fan would say licensing worked, you got promoted from 5th in the final season with having a team that was nowhere near the standard of the league leaders at the time.

Yes, cos that was the criteria set out by super league, hence we go promoted. Its not that hard to fugure out really.

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Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:32 am  

The Horses Mouth wrote:

It's a horrible time to be a Vikings fan, we are constantly putting our hands in our pockets to help try and maintain our club, while the people who put us in to this position seem to have got away scot free, and the powers that be seem quit happy to watch us die a slow painful death.

The parallels with the truly gut-wrenching times in the past years of following Bradford are clear. It's the fans putting their hands in their pocket to try and rectify the mess they didn't cause which I find upsetting for any club that goes through it. It's also something people need to think about when they freely use the abstract "they deserve it" line for any club docked points or are going through the mire. I know for a fact not a single person who posts on here deserves that kind of thing for spending their time and money following the clubs they love and we'd do well to remember it.

We are too tiny a sport to embrace the same parochialism as football. I lament any and every club going through bad times. As a Bradford fan, do I have a sort of primal pleasure from seeing Fax, Giants and Leeds lose, well yeah I'm not a weirdo. But do I want the club and the fans to actually suffer absolutely not. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I have a naive liberal snowflake wish that we'd look out for one another in our tidgy little sport,and we'd be stronger for it. But it doesn't happen.

Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:38 am  

Pumpetypump wrote:

The parallels with the truly gut-wrenching times in the past years of following Bradford are clear. It's the fans putting their hands in their pocket to try and rectify the mess they didn't cause which I find upsetting for any club that goes through it. It's also something people need to think about when they freely use the abstract "they deserve it" line for any club docked points or are going through the mire. I know for a fact not a single person who posts on here deserves that kind of thing for spending their time and money following the clubs they love and we'd do well to remember it.

We are too tiny a sport to embrace the same parochialism as football. I lament any and every club going through bad times. As a Bradford fan, do I have a sort of primal pleasure from seeing Fax, Giants and Leeds lose, well yeah I'm not a weirdo. But do I want the club and the fans to actually suffer absolutely not. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I have a naive liberal snowflake wish that we'd look out for one another in ousr tidgy little sport,and we'd be stronger for it. But it doesn't happen.

"I have a naive liberal snowflake wish that we'd look out for one another in ousr tidgy little sport,and we'd be stronger for it. But it doesn't happen."

Which is why the game below SL is stuck in the 70's. Widnes, Bradford the game qouldn't miss them in the modern era.

Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:38 am  

Pumpetypump wrote:

The parallels with the truly gut-wrenching times in the past years of following Bradford are clear. It's the fans putting their hands in their pocket to try and rectify the mess they didn't cause which I find upsetting for any club that goes through it. It's also something people need to think about when they freely use the abstract "they deserve it" line for any club docked points or are going through the mire. I know for a fact not a single person who posts on here deserves that kind of thing for spending their time and money following the clubs they love and we'd do well to remember it.

We are too tiny a sport to embrace the same parochialism as football. I lament any and every club going through bad times. As a Bradford fan, do I have a sort of primal pleasure from seeing Fax, Giants and Leeds lose, well yeah I'm not a weirdo. But do I want the club and the fans to actually suffer absolutely not. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I have a naive liberal snowflake wish that we'd look out for one another in our tidgy little sport,and we'd be stronger for it. But it doesn't happen.

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Re: Widnes & Relegation : Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:46 am  

IR80 wrote:

Which is why the game below SL is stuck in the 70's. Widnes, Bradford the game qouldn't miss them in the modern era.

And here I was thinking the Championship is now a fascinating competition featuring clubs from around the globe. I didn't pick up on the 1970s 'another bloody sunday' vibe before. Come to think of it, I'm sure I saw the Bradford lads smoking during the game yesterday. They definitely had a few pints of bitter at half time and the collars were HUGE.

I can't be faffed having the "would SL be stronger with Bradford in it" discussion again. I have an obvious opinion on that and it's probably shared by as many people as not.