Re: The side promoted to SL in 2020 will be? : Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:32 am  

Judder Man wrote:

For me, and Toronto, we really need to see more Canadians in that side especially when they have another year in the Championship otherwise its just a big city name only and nothing else. Would be nice to see Bradford back and the travelling fans that goes along with it.

I think next season will be establishing ourselves as a championship club, then the season after mounting a serious pormotion challenge. Like other Bulls fans, i think we'll be mid-table, outside chance of getting in the play-offs.

Finally the penny seems to have dropped with the latest custiodian of the club, to build long-term. We're a young squad, with some good juniors coming through that can grow together.

Re: The side promoted to SL in 2020 will be? : Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:39 am  

Judder Man wrote:

For me, and Toronto, we really need to see more Canadians in that side especially when they have another year in the Championship otherwise its just a big city name only and nothing else. Would be nice to see Bradford back and the travelling fans that goes along with it.

Absolutely. Lets fill a team full of people who have never played the game before. That makes perfect sense.

Regards

King james

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Re: The side promoted to SL in 2020 will be? : Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:40 am  

HXSparky wrote:

Single big money backers are the nemesis that eventually results in the downfall of clubs. All clubs need backing of some sort, but when it's down to one individual it's a recipe for disaster unless there's sustainability in other parts of the club, along with a plan B should said individual walk away.

I completely agree. Rugby League has been particularly vulnerable to fickle white knight sods because we are a relatively small sport where even modestly wealthy people can have a dabble. But we collectively never seem to learn the lessons and time after time a club is left in a perilous position after falling for the promises.

Just off the top of my head, there's been the chap at Feath who promised the world, going back a few years the one at Wakey, Leyton Samuel in Bridgend, the man who walked away from Donny after getting them to a good point. They all want to play at being owners but will simply sod off when they get bored or their tiny pot of cash is mysteriously not enough to achieve their Superleague aspirations. Bad enough to have these characters come on the scene when you have a CHOICE in the matter. At Bradford, the last two tinpot owners, who had the collective wealth of my daughter's piggybank, were foisted on us by the RFL who then act perplexed when we go bust again as a consequence.

I feel for the fans who endure the rollercoaster caused by becoming the playthings of these moderately wealthy people, but it will only keep happening.

Re: The side promoted to SL in 2020 will be? : Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:48 am  

I've been to quite a few interviews of late where the finance directors have been sacked for leaving big gaps in the accounting and amounts of monies have gone missing. I've seen it again this week in regards to Patisserie Valerie and the world is full of them, it seems there are no systems of vetting or simple uses of references. These shysters are hitting all businesses so by the law of percentages Rugby clubs are going to be targets.

Re: The side promoted to SL in 2020 will be? : Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:53 am  

JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:

This situation is ridiculous. We need both Toronto and Toulouse in Super League. The new system makes that impossible for 2020. Until we go to licensing and a 14 team Super League the game will not reach its potential.

That's a rather bold and unquantifiable statement isn't it?

Us northern flatcappers that created RL in the first place are still doing fine over 100 years later. Its not perfect and needs continued financial support, but the product itself is fine.

Considering we're always accused of it being a regional game in the UK, it is actually just a regional sport in France and the success of Catalans in the past 10 years hasn't really changed that. It seems to me that France needs SL more than SL needs France.

Don't get me wrong. Catalans deserve their place, and if Toulouse earn promotion then they will equally deserve it, but to say SL needs them in order to fulfill its potential is a bit of a stretch.

Re: The side promoted to SL in 2020 will be? : Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:22 pm  

Gallanteer wrote:

That's a rather bold and unquantifiable statement isn't it?

Us northern flatcappers that created RL in the first place are still doing fine over 100 years later. Its not perfect and needs continued financial support, but the product itself is fine.

Considering we're always accused of it being a regional game in the UK, it is actually just a regional sport in France and the success of Catalans in the past 10 years hasn't really changed that. It seems to me that France needs SL more than SL needs France.

Don't get me wrong. Catalans deserve their place, and if Toulouse earn promotion then they will equally deserve it, but to say SL needs them in order to fulfill its potential is a bit of a stretch.

But again, neither team have earned a spot in SL on merit. Everyone's favourite plastic Frenchman seems to be ignoring that fact. Unless there's a quantifiable and demonstrable benefit to them being given places rather than them having to earn a place like the rest of the league has to, then I see no reason to give clubs like Toronto and Toulouse an unfair leg up.

Re: The side promoted to SL in 2020 will be? : Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:27 pm  

Lebron James wrote:

Absolutely. Lets fill a team full of people who have never played the game before. That makes perfect sense.

Regards

King james

There was a great opportunity for Toronto to get some game time into some of their local players when they were thrashing league 1 opposition and some opportunities in The Championship but, instead, they chose not to use any of them.
There will be games next season where they could still do this but, it is very unlikely.
Of course, it would be tokenism and even IF they manage to set things up at junior/academy level, it will be at least 5 years and more likely 10, before they have any local talent that will make the grade.

This isnt a surprise though.
The boot camps that they held were great publicity but unless they can find players with some decent rugby knowledge (Union would be ok) we may be waiting a long time to see Canadians playing for TWP.

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Re: The side promoted to SL in 2020 will be? : Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:05 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

There was a great opportunity for Toronto to get some game time into some of their local players when they were thrashing league 1 opposition and some opportunities in The Championship but, instead, they chose not to use any of them.
There will be games next season where they could still do this but, it is very unlikely.
Of course, it would be tokenism and even IF they manage to set things up at junior/academy level, it will be at least 5 years and more likely 10, before they have any local talent that will make the grade.

This isnt a surprise though.
The boot camps that they held were great publicity but unless they can find players with some decent rugby knowledge (Union would be ok) we may be waiting a long time to see Canadians playing for TWP.

Not sure I agree. North America is full of sports players and athletes who have not mad the grade too pla NFL etc.

I have no doubt that some of these could be fast tracked into playing RL.

Not necessarily into the more significant positions of 1 6 7 9 or 13. But they should be able to try a couple at winger maybe a big rough forward who can run the ball in

Re: The side promoted to SL in 2020 will be? : Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:57 pm  

Agree 100%

Re: The side promoted to SL in 2020 will be? : Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:08 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

There was a great opportunity for Toronto to get some game time into some of their local players when they were thrashing league 1 opposition and some opportunities in The Championship but, instead, they chose not to use any of them.
There will be games next season where they could still do this but, it is very unlikely.
Of course, it would be tokenism and even IF they manage to set things up at junior/academy level, it will be at least 5 years and more likely 10, before they have any local talent that will make the grade.

This isnt a surprise though.
The boot camps that they held were great publicity but unless they can find players with some decent rugby knowledge (Union would be ok) we may be waiting a long time to see Canadians playing for TWP.

Of course we will be waiting a long time? I have said this before but to expect Toronto to just find players in canada ready to play professional RL so soon is ridiculous.

Can someone tell me how many players Melbourne storm managed to get into the first team when they formed.