Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:46 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

I doubt it, and the names not Shirley

always amazes me that the 70k+ crowds that international union gets during the 6 nations are considered "part timers" or "corporates" who have no idea what they are watching...let alone the millions who tune in "by accident" but get counted anyway

Insecurity is a curse that afflicts certain types of RL fan......it is a concern that the NHS won't be able to cope if the RLWC Legacy fails to materialise

its obvious your a kiwi who loves his union but has an interest in league so why keep coming on here? I would say i know at least 30 people who go to the 6 nations every year and they hardly if ever talk about the match its always what happened on the day and these are people who used to play union. People go to twickenham because its a fantastic day out and event that a lot of people like to go to, club rugby has nowhere the same backing.

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:11 pm  

dubairl wrote:

its obvious your a kiwi who loves his union but has an interest in league so why keep coming on here?

Actually, London Irish Mockney who moved here 4 years ago, hasn't attended a Union game other than internationals since the 1980's, doesn't watch club union on TV unless it's on in a pub and who is a Rabid London Broncos fan.....that Obvious eh
I'd suggest 17k posts on here (majority on Broncos board) would suggest more than an interest.....

dubairl wrote:

I would say i know at least 30 people who go to the 6 nations every year and they hardly if ever talk about the match its always what happened on the day and these are people who used to play union.

cool story bro.....The RFL would bite their own arm off for those 30 attendees, together with the other 81,970 who regularly fill Twickenham at an average of about 50 quid a pop.

dubairl wrote:

People go to twickenham because its a fantastic day out and event that a lot of people like to go to, club rugby has nowhere the same backing.

....AFAIK, Many amateur union clubs own their own grounds and clubhouses, are actually more of a social club that happens to play Rugby in winter and are not in bad nick. The Professional Clubs are still finding their feet, but are starting to understand the commercial aspect is vital. The real puzzle is how come RL and RU get similar domestic attendances for the Aviva/Superleague,but when it comes to the international stage, one code charges the earth and gets it, whilst the other has to offer tickets for a fiver?

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:19 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Actually, London Irish Mockney who moved here 4 years ago, hasn't attended a Union game other than internationals since the 1980's, doesn't watch club union on TV unless it's on in a pub and who is a Rabid London Broncos fan.....that Obvious eh
I'd suggest 17k posts on here (majority on Broncos board) would suggest more than an interest.....


cool story bro.....The RFL would bite their own arm off for those 30 attendees, together with the other 81,970 who regularly fill Twickenham at an average of about 50 quid a pop.

....AFAIK, Many amateur union clubs own their own grounds and clubhouses, are actually more of a social club that happens to play Rugby in winter and are not in bad nick. The Professional Clubs are still finding their feet, but are starting to understand the commercial aspect is vital. The real puzzle is how come RL and RU get similar domestic attendances for the Aviva/Superleague,but when it comes to the international stage, one code charges the earth and gets it, whilst the other has to offer tickets for a fiver?

is that a kiwiism?

you have just proven my point. They don't get big crowds at club level but they do at international level because they see it as an event and not a religion like rugby league fans. As the majority of those 81k don't have season tickets and follow club teams around all season they can afford to pay 50quid a ticket. Also population of down south compared to north? And Aviva premiership attendance figures are nowhere near super league figures, they are massively inflated for what ever reason on there reports I watch a lot of union on tv and used to play a fair bit. Also yes people do like to socialize at there local rugby club a bit like they love to socialize at Twickenham.

are you seriously saying the reason club level rugby doesn't draw big crowds is because there still not used to being professional? just because the players never used to get paid the fans still used to pay memberships and entrances fees the club was still ran as a business.

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:42 pm  

dubairl wrote:

And Aviva premiership attendance figures are nowhere near super league figures, they are massively inflated for what ever reason on there reports.

Insecure much? Are you really going to try and debate that Union lies about their crowds and in fact Superleague get a bigger average? You are seriously the Aviva premiership clubs inflate the attendances so they can pay more tax on the ticket revenue?
Seriously...lol

The Aviva premiership crowds are helped out by the occasional "event" game, in the same way the NRL uses "event" games as well as OTR games to boost their averages. For example, Harlequins RFC averaged 21,046 in 2013 (or a similar figure depending where you get your data) in the Aviva Premiership.....I believe the Stoop holds 14,850......so it was the Boxing day event game that boosted their average that year. Same in the NRL, where the warriors averaged 16,197, but actually it was more like 13,000 at Mt Smart but with "event" games at the Westpac and Eden Park they boosted it.

I still can't believe you think that the sponsors and money men who throw cash at Union do so because those sneaky lovers at the RFU are inflating attendances...

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:46 pm  

Why does rugby league need to attract a higher social class of spectators anyway? :S

Regards

King James

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:51 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Insecure much? Are you really going to try and debate that Union lies about their crowds and in fact Superleague get a bigger average? You are seriously the Aviva premiership clubs inflate the attendances so they can pay more tax on the ticket revenue?
Seriously...lol

The Aviva premiership crowds are helped out by the occasional "event" game, in the same way the NRL uses "event" games as well as OTR games to boost their averages. For example, Harlequins RFC averaged 21,046 in 2013 (or a similar figure depending where you get your data) in the Aviva Premiership.....I believe the Stoop holds 14,850......so it was the Boxing day event game that boosted their average that year. Same in the NRL, where the warriors averaged 16,197, but actually it was more like 13,000 at Mt Smart but with "event" games at the Westpac and Eden Park they boosted it.

I still can't believe you think that the sponsors and money men who throw cash at Union do so because those sneaky lovers at the RFU are inflating attendances...

watching saracens game last weekend they said the attendance was 16k or around that number it was closer to 12k. Or last season when saracens used there EVENT day towards there attendance. The difference is we are talking about super league never mind NRL and Eden park isn't even close to the same circumstance as union clubs using twickenham.

Who said anything about money or sponsors now stop trying to twist the fact that majority of twickenham fans don't bother following club rugby and really they just use it a social event.

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:59 pm  

Rugby union has a higher average attendence at club level than rugby league.

Sad but true.

Regards

King James

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:05 pm  

dubairl wrote:

you have just proven my point. They don't get big crowds at club level

Home attendance averages last completed season (SL 2013 & Aviva Premiership 2012-13)
1. Leicester Tigers - 256,687/11 = 23,335
2. Harlequins - 219,631/11 = 19,966
3. Saracens - 200,871/11 = 18,261
4. Leeds Rhinos - 197,556/13 = 15,197
5. Wigan - 189,084/13 = 14,545
6. Gloucester - 154,404/11 = 14,037
7. Northampton - 140,414/11 = 12,765
8. London Wasps - 129,644/11 = 11,786
9. Hull FC - 151,843/13 = 11,680
10. Bath - 126,681/11 = 11,516
11. St Helens - 147,483/13 = 11,345
12. Warrington - 138,232/13 = 10,633
13. London Irish - 104,181/11 = 9,471
14. Worcester - 102,370/11 = 9,306
15. Bradford Bulls - 111,320/13 = 8,563
16. Catalans - 108,719/13 = 8,363
17. Exeter - 91,608/11 = 8,328
18. Wakefield - 103,635/13 = 7,972
19. Hull KR - 97,430/13 = 7,495
20. Sale - 80,201/11 = 7,291
21. Huddersfield - 82,790/13 = 6,368
22. Castleford - 81,979/13 = 6,306
23. Widnes - 78,191/13 = 6,015
24. London Welsh - 55,990/11 = 5,090
25. Salford - 40,622/13 = 3,125
26. London Broncos - 28,775/13 = 2,213

Super League Total & Average (2013) = 1,557,659/182 = 8,559
Aviva Premiership Total & Average (2012-13) = 1,662,682/132 = 12,596

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:26 pm  

dubairl wrote:

watching saracens game last weekend they said the attendance was 16k or around that number it was closer to 12k.

Saracens played Toulouse last weekend according to the BBC. 18,838 was the stated crowd. The previous weekend, they were again away, at Gloucester where 13,800 was the recorded attendance.....I have no reason to believe that either figure is made up and nor would I take the opinion of someone watching on TV over these actually officially reported attendances.
Seriously, you should seek help for this level of insecurity.

dubairl wrote:

Or last season when saracens used there EVENT day towards there attendance. The difference is we are talking about super league never mind NRL and Eden park isn't even close to the same circumstance as union clubs using twickenham.

There is nothing stopping the ESL using "event games" to boost their attendances. The (conveniently ignored) NRL uses them. Eden Park is the national Rugby stadium in New Zealand, as is Twickenham in England.....but IIRC, Saracens used Wembley I fail to see a valid reason for not including The NZ Warriors OTR games in comparison to Saracens OTR games. I could have been really nasty and used the London Broncos OTR games

dubairl wrote:

Who said anything about money or sponsors now stop trying to twist the fact that majority of twickenham fans don't bother following club rugby and really they just use it a social event.

Twist what?
You're the one spinning unsubstantiated claims of inflated attendances and trying to explain away actual attendances at Twickenham with tales of your "30 mates". All I've done is say that there is no reason for any sane person to question the announced and published attendances at Union club games more so than anyone would question any other officially reported attendances at other sports.

Rugby Union is so far ahead of Rugby League in the English public psyche it's out of sight. Yes, people are sheep and yes, a great many people at Twickenham are one-game Johnnies, but that doesn't mean they aren't there and it doesn't mean that the RFU won't generate 4 million in ticket revenue alone per game.

The point of Rita's claim earlier in the thread is a valid one......until RL can command the attention and whip up the interest of it's bigger but slower cousin, then it will always play second fiddle. The reality is, that in a round ball dominated country like England, there is never going to be enough room or interest for 2 sets of egg chasers.

It's sad that confused and insecure chaps like you fail to accept this

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:38 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Super League Total & Average (2013) = 1,557,659/182 = 8,559
Aviva Premiership Total & Average (2012-13) = 1,662,682/132 = 12,596

There are posters here who would have you believe in the sanctity of the RL numbers but for some reason, they are happy to question the Union ones ......Insecurity must be catching