: Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:48 am  

af wrote:

I'm not looking to explain away things, I'm not denying clubs' agency in the matter, I'm just trying to provide a bit of context.

If Leeds had put in Hull KR's effort, I don't think they would have achieved as they have in reality. But at the same time if Hull KR had put in Leeds' effort, I doubt they would have achieved to the extent Leeds have.

if they had put the effort leeds have, then their acheivements, regardless of whether or not matched leeds, would be very very good

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:43 am  

Champions of junior development? Champions of dummy spitting more like! I hope the next generation of Saints 'stars' don't develop the 'Wellens dummy spit'. If the refs don't stamp it out now we'll end up like football, aren't you supposed to be sent to the bin for throwing a tantrum at the ref?

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:25 pm  

Banger wrote:

Champions of junior development? Champions of dummy spitting more like! I hope the next generation of Saints 'stars' don't develop the 'Wellens dummy spit'. If the refs don't stamp it out now we'll end up like football, aren't you supposed to be sent to the bin for throwing a tantrum at the ref?

Would you like that applied to Warrington too, who received a warning from the ref last night for whinging about loads of decisions?

And back on topic, Armstrong doesn't look bad.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:19 pm  

af wrote:

I'm not looking to explain away things, I'm not denying clubs' agency in the matter, I'm just trying to provide a bit of context.

If Leeds had put in Hull KR's effort, I don't think they would have achieved as they have in reality. But at the same time if Hull KR had put in Leeds' effort, I doubt they would have achieved to the extent Leeds have.

Perfectly reasonable summation.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:25 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

fixed costs are still attributed to fans however many fans come through the gates,

thats where economies of scale come in,

your point probably works if we for some reason decide only variable costs are applied to match day revenue, which is frankly pretty pointless

your logic seems to suggest that fixed costs arent applied to the 2k extra fans hull kr (dont) bring, but thats as true for the 1st fan as it is the last coming through the gates unsurprisingly, you're being silly

Ah so the concept of marginal costs is foreign to you. That explains a lot. Thank you.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:10 pm  

Can I just say, anyone that thinks Hull KR won't be chucked out of SL because they bring a lot of away fans is an idiot.

Hull KR aren't exactly a big draw. They don't get fans thinking "ooh, Hull KR, this is a must watch game". They may bring a lot over, but I reckon a fair few of the floating home fans won't give a cr*p about a game against Hull KR and will probably stay home.

I aren't saying it isn't good that Hull KR bring a lot of fans away with them, by the way. I'm just saying it is not really significant at all, especially in the franchise decisions. And especially when you look at things like sponsorship, media coverage, etc. of the league. Away fans at one game is pocket-change to clubs that can turn-over millions.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:31 pm  

Wellsy13 wrote:

Can I just say, anyone that thinks Hull KR won't be chucked out of SL because they bring a lot of away fans is an idiot.

Hull KR aren't exactly a big draw. They don't get fans thinking "ooh, Hull KR, this is a must watch game". They may bring a lot over, but I reckon a fair few of the floating home fans won't give a cr*p about a game against Hull KR and will probably stay home.

I aren't saying it isn't good that Hull KR bring a lot of fans away with them, by the way. I'm just saying it is not really significant at all, especially in the franchise decisions. And especially when you look at things like sponsorship, media coverage, etc. of the league. Away fans at one game is pocket-change to clubs that can turn-over millions.

But will they be chucked out of SL because they are not the best development club in the world either ?

That is the question in point here