No the point is that each club will have a similar make up. 6-10 stars, 6-10 experienced players, about 10 developed players. If you invest in your youngsters and pick up your handful of stars, then the difference will come through the between 6-10 middle players, where there would be a smaller range of quality. Certainly smaller than there is now and for the foreseeable future
So that's between 84 and 140 'stars'. Players who have recently played for Australia, New Zealand or England. Something doesn't quite add up here.
92% of fans in Australia have seen through this form of cap and want it changing. CEO's of clubs, the players, Board members, people in charge of smaller clubs like cronulla and rich clubs like the roosters. All looking for change
all 16 clubs were in favour of penalizing the storm
all clubs favour the current cap but are looking at some minor changes
So that's between 84 and 140 'stars'. Players who have recently played for Australia, New Zealand or England. Something doesn't quite add up here.
of course it does, there are currently 15 'star' players at leeds (ignoring developed exemptions) 15 at saints, 13 at Wigan, 9 at bradford, 11 at Hull, 14 at wire, 12 at Hudds, thats 89 at just those 7 clubs,
of course it does, there are currently 15 'star' players at leeds (ignoring developed exemptions) 15 at saints, 13 at Wigan, 9 at bradford, 11 at Hull, 14 at wire, 12 at Hudds, thats 89 at just those 7 clubs,
Wow, there's quite a range of quality in that group as well. I take it you're going back a few years, throwing in players who had try outs in mid season international knockabouts and from when England was made up of those not good enough be considered for Great Britain? "Stars" indeed. This idea keeps getting worse.
of course it does, there are currently 15 'star' players at leeds (ignoring developed exemptions) 15 at saints, 13 at Wigan, 9 at bradford, 11 at Hull, 14 at wire, 12 at Hudds, thats 89 at just those 7 clubs,
Are you saying that with the points system Leeds would no longer be allowed to field 15 "star players"?
Wow, there's quite a range of quality in that group as well. I take it you're going back a few years, throwing in players who had try outs in mid season international knockabouts and from when England was made up of those not good enough be considered for Great Britain? "Stars" indeed. This idea keeps getting worse.
no, not at all, all players have either played a full test for one of the top nations, or represented one of the 2nd tier nations in a World cup
Leeds for instance consists of Webb(NZ), Senior (GB), Hall(GB), Smith(GB), Mcguire(GB), Burrow(GB), Diskin (GB), Sinfield (GB), Eastwood (NZ), Lauitiiti (NZ + Samoa), Buderus (Australia + New South Wales), Peacock (GB), Lueluai (Samoa) Bailey(GB), Jamie Jones Buchanon (GB)
Are you saying that with the points system Leeds would no longer be allowed to field 15 "star players"?
well they get (and deserve) some exemption for developing their GB players. They would currently have a total of 104 points from a squad of 24, so they would need to drop 4 points and gain a player.
Considering any player the signed would be an minimum of 4 points, they would likely need to drop at the very least 1 of their 6 pointers, and that would be on the basis they also dropped a 4 pointer and promoted 3 youngsters (at 2 points)
Which of these players are you thinking are only counted because of a mid-season knockabout where the 1st choice didnt get picked?
I also said you were going back a few years, which you clearly have. When was the last time Briers played for GB? Solomona for New Zealand?
I also thought we were sticking to tier one internationals (Australia, New Zealand and GB -> England) after I pointed out the insanity of including Bob Beswick in your list of star players. You've either got a small group of genuine stars or a large group of massively varying quality, neither is good for your proposal.
I have to admit to being intrigued by your list of stars at Bradford, Hull and Huddersfield.
I also said you were going back a few years, which you clearly have. When was the last time Briers played for GB? Solomona for New Zealand?
And?
btw, Briers was included in the British squad for the tri-nations 3 seasons ago, Solomona won the tri nations 4 seasons ago. We are hardly harking back the 50's here
I also thought we were sticking to tier one internationals (Australia, New Zealand and GB -> England) after I pointed out the insanity of including Bob Beswick in your list of star players. You've either got a small group of genuine stars or a large group of massively varying quality, neither is good for your proposal.
the groups arent that large, and as you can see, there isnt a huge discrepancy in quality. But yes, like all systems ever possibly invented there will be players whose value under a system doesnt match their value to the team, which is why we have coaches and we allow them to build their teams. I would have no sympathy with a team who decided to waste 6 points on Bob Beswick, its not an issue with the system, its just poor recruitment, no club would be forced to sign him
I have to admit to being intrigued by your list of stars at Bradford, Hull and Huddersfield.
Hudds, Hodgeson (NSW) Hodgeson (GB) Lohlesi(NZ) Whaturia(NZ),Crabtree(GB), Gilmour(GB) Fa'alogo(NZ), Wild(GB) Faiumu(NZ), Drew(city)(i made an error here, i counted Aspinwall, who was included in the trinations but didnt play, Robinson who only played in a friendly)