FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Flanagan
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator8081
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 02 200222 years91st
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Apr 24 16:2413th Apr 24 19:44LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
LS9
Signature
//www.twitter.com/pumpetypump
Moderator

Re: Flanagan : Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:22 pm  
Wasn't signing him in the first place a response to us falling into the bottom tier as he'd proved with Hunslet that he was more than capable at that level. He's had his dream gig at the club he supports and perhaps time for an amicable parting?
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator31577
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 22 200122 years78th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
18th Apr 24 05:5018th Apr 24 12:34LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
The Corridor of Uncertainty
Signature
"If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them," - Wayne Bennett.
Moderator

Re: Flanagan : Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:28 pm  
Pumpetypump wrote:
Wasn't signing him in the first place a response to us falling into the bottom tier as he'd proved with Hunslet that he was more than capable at that level. He's had his dream gig at the club he supports and perhaps time for an amicable parting?


Sounds like it. If Chalmers hadn't messed up the finances we'd probably still have Wildie. Something doesn't feel right about this incident but we are where are.
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain285No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 06 20168 years306th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
14th Sep 21 12:2412th Sep 21 16:22LINK
Milestone Posts
250
500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Flanagan : Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:48 pm  
Could we use Race as backup hooker off the bench. Not much difference between hookers and half backs nowadays.
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain76No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 30 20168 years315th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Apr 22 07:441st Apr 22 21:02LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Flanagan : Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:12 pm  
Now I don't know whether George is innocent or guilty but from what I have gleaned things don't sit easily. The video seems to be pretty inconclusive and more telling perhaps is that JK said he was mystified why the charge had been brought. To me that seems to suggest an element of doubt. Now would the disciplinary tribunal convict if there was any doubt - probably not. So there must some other evidence to back up the guilty verdict. Now wouldn't it be great if in the spirit of transparency the tribunal made public what that further evidence was. I'm not holding my breath.
RankPostsTeam
International Star738No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 24 201410 years271st
OnlineLast PostLast Page
18th Jan 24 23:0923rd Nov 22 10:35LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Flanagan : Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:27 pm  
Downbutnotout wrote:
Now I don't know whether George is innocent or guilty but from what I have gleaned things don't sit easily. The video seems to be pretty inconclusive and more telling perhaps is that JK said he was mystified why the charge had been brought. To me that seems to suggest an element of doubt. Now would the disciplinary tribunal convict if there was any doubt - probably not. So there must some other evidence to back up the guilty verdict. Now wouldn't it be great if in the spirit of transparency the tribunal made public what that further evidence was. I'm not holding my breath.


Full report below.
GEORGE FLANAGAN - BRADFORD
FEATHERSTONE V BRADFORD - CHALLENGE CUP
RANGE OF RECOMMENDED SANCTIONS IN RELATION TO CHARGED GRADE* :
8+

DETAILS OF CHARGE / REASON FOR NF :
Law 15.1 (i) Grade F – Attack to testicles

DECISION:
Charge

INCIDENT:
Attack to testicles in the 32nd minute

PLEA:
Not Guilty

SUMMARY OF CM'S SUBMISSIONS ON THE CHARGE / EVIDENCE:
Following a Match Review Panel meeting held on 25th March, you are charged with misconduct for a breach of Law 15.1(i) during the above Match. The Panel reviewed an incident which occurred in approximately the 32nd minute of the above Match. The incident was placed on report. In the Panel’s opinion, after completing a tackle you promoted your hand to the groin area of an opponent (Bussey) and applied pressure to the genital area. The Panel believed that your actions were unnecessary, had the potential to cause your opponent an injury, against the true spirit of the game and constitute Misconduct. In accordance with the RFL’s On Field Sentencing Guidelines, the Panel consider that such offence is a Grade F offence (Behaves in way contrary to the true spirit of the game – Testicles attacking). In accordance with the On Field Sentencing Guidelines, the normal suspension range for such offence is 8 plus matches.

SUMMARY OF PLAYER'S SUBMISSIONS ON THE CHARGE / EVIDENCE:
Player in attendance alongside Head Coach John Kear and Assistant Coach Mark Dunning. JK talked the panel through the footage and explained that the player was making a tackle and attempting to slow down the play the ball. He vehemently denies the accusation that have been levelled at the player. He explains that there is no contact shown on the footage and feels that the opponents reaction was not immediate and also that following the opponent took full part in the kick chase will resulted immediately after play had resumed. He felt that this would not be possible if the alleged act had occurred as the opponent would have been in pain. JK again denied that the player had done it and stressed that this is a very serious accusation and could be potentially career ending for his player. He felt the charge is not proven. JK was also able to ask questions to the opponent who joined the call. GF then addressed the tribunal are reiterated the points made above. He explained that the charge had knocked him for six and felt he was been blamed for something he had done previously. He strongly denied the accusation and remembers the incident in question very well. He added he was trying to slow down the ruck down. MD also added that he had heard a touchline discussion between the pair after the incident stating he heard the opponent say “I have got you now enjoy your time on the sidelines.” He also felt that the players arm is kept straight at all times in the tackle and does not change position.

DECISION:
Guilty

REASON FOR DECISION:
This is a serious allegation and we have given detailed consideration to all the evidence that has been put before us. On the one hand we have the evidence of Mr Bussey who gave a clear and articulate account of a deliberate and forceful grabbing of his testicles. Mr Kear makes has made a number of observations to the panel concerning his evidence – he observes that in his view he would expect Mr Bussey to have appeared to be in more pain; he would not have expected him to play on in the way that he did and the complaint that he made to be more forceful. Mr Kear submits that when you take those factors his evidence should not be relied upon. In addition Mr Kear points to the evidence of Mr Dunning the Assistant Coach – he gave evidence that Mr Bussey said on leaving the field – “I have got you now enjoy your time on the sidelines.” Mr Kear submits that you cannot rely on Bussey’s evidence and when you consider that the footage is inconclusive the case does not add up. We have also heard the evidence of Mr Flanagan who has given a vehement and impassioned denial of any wrongdoing – and ruled out any possibility of mistake on Mr Bussey’s part. In addition he makes the point that he has previously been accused of a similar allegation and accepted it at the outset the implication being that he would do so today were he to have done what is alleged. That previous matter has played no part in our consideration as to whether this case has been proved. Mr Kear submits you simply have word on word and from that the case cannot be proved. But to simply submit its word on word and the footage takes us nowhere is perhaps too simplistic an approach to the evidence. We were impressed with Mr Bussey’s account. He was in our view an honest witness who was trying to do his best to recall the incident. He made mention of a forceful grab of his testicles repeating more than once that you know when your testicles have been grabbed. Mr Flanaghan ruled out any contact whatsoever with Mr Bussey’s testicles saying that his hand is nowhere near them. Secondly, the footage that we have seen makes it clear that his reaction was immediate- as was the very complaint that he repeated before us today. He can be seen to be incensed; he can be heard to say he grabbed my knackers, he said himself that he had to watch his response as his on- field character is not the best so he can’t be going to hit anyone. If this did not happen it means that in that instance as a result of a totally innocuous and run of the mill tackle Mr Bussey formed the view to make up this allegation; an extremely serious allegation in order to get Mr Flanagan into trouble. There is no evidence that there is history between them. No reason has been suggested that why in that moment he would lie in that way. In addition he has come forward this evening to repeat these allegations which is not an easy course to take. The comment that he was heard to make after the incident when the two of them came off does not in our view undermine his account. We note that he was never given the opportunity to deal with that when questions were being asked of him but we are of the view that was likely inexperienced advocacy rather than anything else. Such comment if made in those terms is consistent with him reminding Mr Flanagan of the trouble he has got himself in. Finally the recording – it is inconclusive but it is consistent with the allegations that Mr Bussey makes it is clear that there is a second movement of the arm back beneath the body of Mr Bussey as he lays under Mr Flanagan consistent with him grabbing his testicles as alleged. Accordingly we are more than comfortably satisfied that this was a deliberate grabbing of the testicles and the allegation has been proved.

SUMMARY OF CM'S SUBMISSIONS ON THE APPROPRIATE SANCTION
• Player charged under RFL Rule 15.1(i) Behaves in any way contrary to the true spirit of the game – testicles - attacking • MRP reviewed an incident which took place in approx. 32nd minute • The incident was placed on report by the match referee • Attacker makes a break and is tackled around the waist by opponent • Opponent makes immediate complaint to the referee and confronts Mr Flanagan after the tackle • Player’s submissions reiterate the claim made at the time • In Referees report Mr Bussey states that Mr Flanagan has attacked his testicles • Footage does not show Mr Flanagan’s hand placed in the area however does show Mr Flanagan’s arm come away from the opponents body and then move back in towards the area • Graded F due to; - Charge starts at Grade F - Unnecessary and not part of the game - Clear intent due to the nature of the contact – could not be accidental - No place in the game for such acts - Brings the game into disrepute

SUMMARY OF PLAYER'S SUBMISSIONS ON THE APPROPRIATE SANCTION
JK reaffirmed the not guilty plea. He added that the player is 34 years of age and coming towards the end of his career.

AGGRAVATING FACTORS
08/08/19 – Attack to testicles – Grade F (8 matches) 27/06/19 – Trips – intentional trip – Grade C (2 matches) 17/01/19 – Dangerous Contact – Grade B (1 match)

REASONS FOR DECISION
The Tribunal thanks both sides for their submissions and compliments the player and his representatives on the way they conducted themselves during the hearing. However, the Tribunal are in agreement that this act is an intimate invasion and appears to be something that is creeping into the game. They therefore feel a suspension of 10 matches should be handed down along with the standard fine of £250.

SUSPENSION
10 matches

FINE
£250
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain76No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 30 20168 years315th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Apr 22 07:441st Apr 22 21:02LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Flanagan : Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:37 pm  
Cheers. Little or no doubt now.
RankPostsTeam
International Star2028
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 28 200914 years279th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
18th Apr 24 06:058th Apr 24 11:17LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Mirfield

Re: Flanagan : Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:05 pm  
How is there little or no doubt? Still basically saying they believe one word over another, hardly proven beyond doubt!
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator31577
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 22 200122 years78th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
18th Apr 24 05:5018th Apr 24 12:34LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
The Corridor of Uncertainty
Signature
"If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them," - Wayne Bennett.
Moderator

Re: Flanagan : Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:13 pm  
Seems as if they just chose to believe Bussey despite no clear evidence. Flanagan's previous record I feel must have counted against him.

Can't see an appeal being successful.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator8081
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 02 200222 years91st
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Apr 24 16:2413th Apr 24 19:44LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
LS9
Signature
//www.twitter.com/pumpetypump
Moderator

Re: Flanagan : Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:42 am  
It's beyond the pale for a player to go to that level of effort to try and get another player in trouble. It's also beyond the pale to attack someone's knackers. So basically either Bussey is a lying Sh1thouse, or Flanagan is a lying Sh1thouse!
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator31577
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 22 200122 years78th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
18th Apr 24 05:5018th Apr 24 12:34LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
The Corridor of Uncertainty
Signature
"If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them," - Wayne Bennett.
Moderator

Re: Flanagan : Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:53 am  
Really reflects well on the game.
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: bowlinboy, bull on a canary, dddooommm and 162 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Bradford Bulls


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
Shopping list for 2025
Fishface
944
9m
Hull KR
BigTime
5
16m
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Leigh Home
Uncle Rico
12
18m
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
krisleeds
8781
21m
Squad for Leigh
rubber ducki
13
24m
State of the Nation
B0NES
398
25m
Fitzgibbon
Uncle Rico
31
27m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
ComeOnYouUll
168
30m
David Armstrong potential signing
Jack Gaskell
5
32m
Injury update
dboy
11
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
25s
David Armstrong potential signing
Jack Gaskell
5
27s
Barrow v Dons Sunday 21/4/24 3pm
Wilf Grimsha
6
29s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
35265
30s
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
krisleeds
8781
32s
Injury update
dboy
11
35s
Hull KR
BigTime
5
39s
Shopping list for 2025
Fishface
944
43s
Squad for Leigh
rubber ducki
13
44s
RD 8 Huddersfield Giants H
Shabino
36
47s
Stadium and other issues
supercat
2260
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
21 Man Squads - Wire v Leopards v
LeythIg
2
TODAY
Squad for Leigh
rubber ducki
13
TODAY
FINANCES
Sideshow Bob
4
TODAY
AI predictions
Rugby Raider
3
TODAY
Sheffield Game
REDWHITEANDB
3
TODAY
Injury update
dboy
11
TODAY
Seagulls
terry silver
13
TODAY
Rugby leagie coaches - analysis request
Velcro Boots
9
TODAY
Castleford at home
Father Ted
29
TODAY
David Armstrong potential signing
Jack Gaskell
5
TODAY
France v England Internationals Confirmed for 29th June 2024
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
France v England International..
647
Warrington Stun St Helens In C..
1310
2024 Challenge Cup Semi-Finals..
980
Wigan Warriors Demolish Woeful..
1173
Hull KR Eliminate the Cup Hold..
1298
Bradford Bulls Come From Behin..
1675
Bradford Bulls Beat Feathersto..
2277
Giants Thrash FC Again For Top..
2217
Warrington Brush Aside The Rhi..
1673
Wigan Coast to Victory over Le..
1930
Giants Come From Behind For Ea..
2216
Salford Red Devils Defeat Leig..
2714
Catalans Dragons Win See-Saw E..
2017
St Helens Win Derby Game Over ..
1961
Early Season Double for Hull K..
2115
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Table 'boards.stats_fixtures' doesn't exist