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: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:29 pm  
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Clearly the most fair solution!


Nope only dock the clubs involved in this bizarre financial jiggery pokery. We would be in the top 4 then.

Dont ask me about money I have no concept of the number zero :wink: . It does rhyme with Nero though :D
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: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:31 pm  
The "active monitoring" of the salary cap raises an interesting point. I suppose a club could legitimately argue, whilst having no choice but to accept Revenue diktats, "Well, you didn't spot it, so how could we have spotted it"?

I don't know how far that defence would get, but it raises some interesting issues.
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: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:36 pm  
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I don't know how far that defence would get,


Is there no-one on here with any legal knowledge?
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: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:47 pm  
Ferocious Aardvark wrote:
The "active monitoring" of the salary cap raises an interesting point. I suppose a club could legitimately argue, whilst having no choice but to accept Revenue diktats, "Well, you didn't spot it, so how could we have spotted it"?

I don't know how far that defence would get, but it raises some interesting issues.


Suppose we'll have to resort to asking a lawyer then...? ;)
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: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:49 pm  
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Suppose we'll have to resort to asking a lawyer then...? ;)


What would be the point, given that you can't trust a word the buggers say? :lol:
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: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:10 pm  
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What would be the point, given that you can't trust a word the buggers say? :lol:


There IS that I guess...bloody lawyers and accountants, scum o' t'bloody earth ah'll tell thee... ;)
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: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:16 pm  
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There IS that I guess...bloody lawyers and accountants, scum o' t'bloody earth ah'll tell thee... ;)


Buggers as well, apparently. :?
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: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:32 pm  
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Buggers as well, apparently. :?


Nah, thats an extra for lawyers, estate agents, bankers and burglars only... ;)
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: Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:14 pm  
For general info on the thrust of the schemes under investigation: this a year ago by one of the top accounting practioners.
http://www.kingstonsmith.co.uk/kingston-smith/sectors/Sports/Know_your_rights.htm

The salient phrase is “The crucial point is that the image right which is usually assigned to a separate company is not in any way geared to employment duties as a rugby player or to his performance on the pitch or elsewhere or as an employee as such. The quantum of the respective amounts has to be proportionate.”
Thus we would expect the club to have documentation in place to demonstate that the "Image rights" payment is equal to the club's financial gain by using such.

We at Tickitt, Additt and Chargem Accountants LP are somewhat surprised by the even more incredulous surprise now professed by some SL clubs.

In 2002 the image rights of David Beckham were challenged by HMRC when (according to the Daily Mail 25/4/2002) it was thought 1/3rd of his salary (estimated at £5m+) was to be paid in "Image Rights"= around £2m. Man U commercial sales were £23.6m at the time so this was held to be reasonable.
Since then HMRC have persued football players, then RU players and now RL players.
The writing has been on the wall for years. Why then have the clubs and particularly the governing body, RFL, not reacted before now?

The principle is not a grey area in the respect stated above, though the ramifications for individual clubs may well go deeper for reasons too numerous to itemise in this already long post.

Caveat : these are only our opinions and no legal inference as to validity of actual truth should be attached or implied nor relied upon.
Our legal representatives at Suam, Grabbit and Runne LLP of 13a, The Pit, Forster Sq, Bradford, BD1 1AA should be contacted in any case.
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: Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:21 pm  
Thats a pretty useful summation from Kingston Smith. Could have done with that earlier when trying to explain things!

And a pretty amusing commentary on it too...! :lol:
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